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Okay, so here is my rants and raves post for the New Year! Why are you crying about people creating their own weapons when in all actuality, all they're doing is picking and choosing their special modifications insead of the game randomizing it. Now, a shotgun that shoots lightning, and if you zoom in, its unlimited shots, thats a little overkill. It actually lags the game thats how overkill it is, but if you're like me who cannot find a good shotgun in this game, why not create your perfect weapon? Or, if you want to change the color of your weapon whats wrong with that? I agree with some of the posts saying you should patch this and that, but if you should really patch something, patch the dup glitch. Thats more cheap than modifying the game. Heck, maybe thats the way the designers wanted it. I'm mean really, I like Borderlands even better now that I can create my own gun! SO..... I read in another post "New class of gun. Red" this post really made sence.

"Never said i take pride. I just believe that if someone wants to mod guns people shouldn't try to stop them. It seems wrong to me that you want to have a patch get rid of modded guns. If you don't like them don't use them and don't play with people that use them. Don't be a dick and ruin someone else's gaming experience. Rawwar13 01:11, January 4, 2010 (UTC) Rawwar13 01:11, January 4, 2010 (UTC) Rawwar13 01:11, January 4, 2010 (UTC)"

Kudos to you Rawwar13. I enjoy making weapons, but I dont distribute. I show my friends, especially that shotgun I was talking about earlier, the lightning one. AND the one shot one kill duels, don't duel them when you know they have a modded weapon, cause you will get raped. Don't complain on here cause it's just going to get ignored.

As I conclude my rants and raves, I would like to say one more thing, If anyone wants to play and want to see that special shotgun, add me.

PSN:

Thank you and have a good night!

If you don't like it look away and let it be. That mentality worked out pretty well in history, did it? Cocofang 21:49, January 4, 2010 (UTC)

Right on! If you want modded weapons then play with them if you don't then don't use them. simple as that! - AsianYouth

It's just getting really annoying for me, whether I'm joining a public game or hosting one. Someone is playing online with Modded weapons and ruing things for other people. A fair deal would be, if you want to use Modded weapons, don't poison my game and play privately. --Japsa 22:09, January 4, 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for agreeing with me Cocofang and AsianYouth. As for you Japsa, I agree with you that if you want to play online with modded weapons, play privately. Showing off your weapons to the public will piss a bunch of people off and they'll just stop playing all together. And I do believe if you host a game, you have the power to show them the shape of italy. I wold like to use Diablo 2 for example, remember the character mod for unl. life and mana, and unlimited skills glitch, and the unlimited cash glitch? I quit playing online because of that. I only host private games when I use my special weapons. It's just for fun.

Note to myself: make sarcasm and irony notable for everyone. It seems to me i have to make myself clearer:

What if other countries would have looked away when Hitler slaughtered all Jews? Yeah, thats right: i compare you - the modders - to Hitler while the Jews stand for the game itself. There are actually weapons capable to crash whole servers! And these weapons will exist as long as modded weapons are allowed to exist. And there always will be people willing to use them. I mean, come on! COME ON! Whenever i read random comments (on youtube videos or in the forum) coming from people playing this game it totally gives me the chills. Some people seemingly masturbate over every modded super-weapon that comes across. And some are assholes big enough to spread them all over the community. Right in the hands of naive newbies and unknowing players. That IS a problem. How can anyone seriously deny that? And there is no possible end to this problem unless all modded guns are banned from online playing. I say get the job done and do it right. Get down to the root of trouble.

And in my opinion the modded guns aren't even the biggest problem. The real deal are constructs. Because no one can tell the difference between a legit weapon and a construct. Not even programs that have been written to search and destroy modded crap.

To come to the point: Get real people! Modded weapons only for amusement, slight modifications and no unfair advantage? Are you even believing your own words? As long as there is the possibility to create those, there will be a hell lot of immature shitheads abusing them.

And reading something like "maybe thats the way the designers wanted it" really cracks me up. Oh, yeah sure!. I feel like i have to quote something i wrote elsewhere here:

"Yarly, way to go! So modding is not cheating, its customization, is it? I see everything from a completely different angle now! Now, with that completely different point of view, i realize that i always wanted to max out all my skills. Too bad there are not enough skillpoints to do just this. Lets customize it! 106 skillpoints are just right to fit my needs.

If i think about it i want a shield with 20.000, a recharge of about 1000 and quick health regen. That would be very customized. Lets do it. Oh, and while i'm at it i'll give myself 50.000 HP. Sounds fair enough to me. And my weapon proficiencies are still to low. Lets make them all over the top. I want it that way. But now i need a fitting weapon for my customized character. Lets create one with 10.000 dmg per bullet. Neat. RoF about 100, infinite clip and amu, 100% acc, throwing grenades, dealing fire, acid and shock dmg at the same time and has target searching rockets attached. I sure like my customized weapon. Lets make some more!

But oh, what is that? Not enough storage. I want infinite storage! Time to customize. They should have included the possibility to do that anyway. I am sure this is just what the developers want me to do. Its so easy, it cant be wrong! Everyone can do that, so its totally fair! And if someone is complaining i don't give a damn. I play the game the way i want. They can't tell me how to play it, can they? I just customize it. My game, my rules. Absolutely rightful as far as i am concerned ...

I am even friendly enough to hack own games, so that everyone who joins gets infinite backpack-slots, money, shield and health as well. Do they want it? I don't care! Its my game. I payed for it. I can do whatever i ****ing want! There are no rules! And if there are any i customize them! Bye inferiority complexes, bye everyday worries, bye existence as a social outcast - I AM FRIGGIN GOD, MOTHER****ERS!

Hm ... now that i think about it with my new obtained, customized almighty and godly powers and immeasurable wisdom ... i always wanted to play a gigantic, fire-spitting tentacle-kitty with laser-beam eyes. I wonder if ..."

Because there are not only REAL children playing this game (14 years old kiddies going like "kewl it blewz his head off! YARRRR!") but mentally immature ones too (18 and older kiddies going like "kewl teh modded weapon blewz his head off! YARRRR!"). Oh, how noble and generous you all are pronouncing "modded weapons are only for amusement" but don't you realize sayings like that are in vain? Every sane person agrees that modded imba-weapons are a problem. But there is no possible way to differ between sane people like you and me and sick gun-nuts if you want to solve that problem. There is only one way to get this done and you know that: collective punishment. Nuff said. --Cocofang 05:08, January 5, 2010 (UTC)

Im fine with people using modded weapons on private servers but when you join other games with modded weapons or host a public game with no mention of modded things, its a bit unfair- spacespinner

id like too see it:PSN Mr_InSane_

Agreed with most. I reckon it's perfectly fine if you use a modded weapon for amusement while everyone in your multiplayer knows you're using a modded weapon and they approve of it. If someone doesn't like modded weapons, the weapons shouldn't be used. I see absolutely no problem with modded weapons being used purely for amusement/the laughs. However, using modded weapons to gain a personal advantage isn't fair, and ruins the game for others. --HybridDragoness 03:40, January 5, 2010 (UTC)

Imo it depends, modding weapons to get the perfect one is fine with me, it may take a bit of the fun of searching for it out of the game, but whatever its your choice. By perfect one, I mean, You would be able to find this gun in game, but you just dont want to maybe have to search through a million guns to find it. However, when people start mixing and matching parts from different guns is where I believe most people have a problem, because as said, you end up with ridiculously powerful 1shot kill guns. -- Croc xr8 04:40, January 5, 2010 (UTC)

I'm okay with modder's, i mean as long as there not getting in anyone's way or annoying people, i mean if someone wants to do 50000x500000 smg with a clip size of 1000000 and a firing rate of 1000000 plus sometimes i forget to reload plus we don't need no water plus give sick plus w/e for every element its there right, as long as that guy doesn't say, wanna duel? without me knowing he has that same weapon, its kinda like aids...i don't care if u got aids, as long as your not spreading it around like wildfire, get the picture?Toolazytomakeaaccount 09:28, January 5, 2010 (UTC)

If there are any history buffs in here then you'd know that Hitler was a Jew Himself. So if you'd like to use Hitler and the jews as an example, then you're also calling us modders jews. And if you're compairing yourself to the jews, then you yourself are Hitler. If people would actually pay attention in school and read about Hitler, you would find out that it wasn't Hitler's idea to kill all the jews, it was his military leaders within The Third Reich. I'm stationed here in Germany and my german friends also said, that it wasn't his fault. And you want to know how the swastika came to be? No, the germans didnt create it, it is an Equilateral Cross which is included in many Archaeological artifacts. The Idea to put it on the German flag was not Hitlers Idea, but one of his successors Ideas. But this isn't about Hitler and the Holocaust, this is about Borderlands. And I do remember that this is MY rants and raves page, if you would like to go create a page and boo hoo on it, by all means do so, just not on my page.

Thank you and good night! CyberCJ18451 19:08, January 5, 2010 (UTC)

Oh, thank you so much for totally ignoring about 90% of my post and raise the suspicion your friends are most likely Hitler-sympathisers, which is quiet alarming.

Besides that and the fact most of the things you said about Hitler are totally wrong (i don't know what teachers, said reading material or your friends wanted you to believe but it arises either from sciolism or questionable sympathy), i'd like to ask you some questions:

Are you THAT naive? Do you really think people will stop spreading modded crap around like - as Toolazy said - wildfire? Do you really think people will stop creating weapons that are capable to crash the server? Do you really think most people using modded guns even think about the fact it ruins legit gameplay? Where was the point i missed and online cheating is acceptable now?

If you really think, people will get a hold of themselves and stop making gamebreaking stuff, any discussion is absolutely pointless because this would be the ideology of a six year old. --Cocofang 22:41, January 5, 2010 (UTC)

First off, Hitler was not a jew, it was his fault, and the swastika is a buddhist symbol tilted a bit sideways. Second off, however I do agree completely with your Borderlands related point. A modded weapon is in no way comparable to the Holocaust, as they aren't killing anybody or anything even remotely close. At least, not actual people. From what I've seen, they pretty much own video game people.-A Fistful Of Lightning

Wow, this thread contains a very fast invocation of Godwin's law! talk contribs 22:26, January 5, 2010 (UTC)

Speed up, i say! --Cocofang 23:06, January 5, 2010 (UTC)

Godwin's Law for sure-spacespinner

In the big scheme of things, its gunna happen and it's always gunna happen. The modding didn't start in Borderlands and it's not gunna stop. Deal with it.CyberCJ18451 12:04, January 6, 2010 (UTC)

And yet again you start ignoring all points and come up with a pseudo-argument yourself. We can't completely stop it so let it be? If everyone followed this logic mankind would have died out long ago. You can't stop wars. Thats right, so why should we try to prevent them? You can't stop diseases. Thats right, so why should we try to prevent them from killing people? You can't stop people from being totally stupid and uneducated. Thats right, so why should we try to prevent them from being just that?

I could go on like this for pages! You are right: You can't stop people cheating online. But that's absolutely no reason to stop trying, is it? Once again i ask: When did it happen, that online cheating went tolerated? Somewhere between breakfast and stultification? --Cocofang 17:44, January 6, 2010 (UTC)

you can try to stop it, but it wont stop, it wont even slow down, it wont even lose speed by an inch, you stop one modder and 50 million pop up, its a war you cant win so why waste your time fighting a war that never ends, oh yeh and u can stop war, you just cant stop it FOREVER, you can stop disease's using various medicines, and anything there isn't a cure for we work on, no one quit on that one, you can stop people from being stupid but they need to want to learn, if they don't then there of coarse is no way to stop that, and it isn't tolerated, it is simply accepted.Toolazytomakeaaccount 21:05, January 6, 2010 (UTC)

Fortunately, with the advent of technology, it IS possible to stop modding online. A simple algorithm to check to see if the game's random weapon making algorithm could have produced any given weapon can render modded weapons useless online. However, if you mod things in a less retarded way (such as add a scope to your maliwan hellfire) then you would still be able to use it. Such mods can be seen as non-malicious, and are permitted in my opinion. It's all up to the developers (who are quite capable of rendering your invincible guns helpless) to make decisions, not me. Oh, and please use spell check :( --Doomination 15:44, January 6, 2010 (UTC)

people mod fallout 3, they mod halo 3, they mod call of duty modern warfare 2, they mod EVERYTHING, and on most multiplayer games they are banned and therefore they do suffer for it, but on games like borderlands the workers look the other way because its not a big online game, if your gonna fight people naturally make it so modded weapons don't work in arena's or in duels, but other then that they don't do anything wrong, so they kill enemy's quicker? who cares, if u don't like it leave, and if you want to explain to them how there wrong, they wont listen, they'll just keep on shooting and ignore you, or even kick you themselves!Toolazytomakeaaccount 18:03, January 6, 2010 (UTC)

Where is the difference between "stop fighting it" and "tolerate it"? It's exactly the same. Why fighting a war you can't win? Because you have to! If there is no opposition everyone goes completely wild. It's the same everywhere. What kind of mentality is that anyway? You stop trying just because it's hard? We would still sit in a cave soiling ourselves if everyone followed that example. You can't stop it but you sure can reduce it. That what we have in Borderlands right now are people gone completely crazy because of the lack of boundaries. Boundaries both, their common sense and the developers, failed to set.

You can't completely prevent stupid tardasses to fuck things up but if you stop fighting them you can just as well go and die. -- Cocofang 20:59, January 6, 2010 (UTC)

Look cocofang, if everyone stopped modding, then everyone would just use basic weapons, which if I myself had tuned to modding, I would probably be rather bored of. Stopping everyone from modding would make people grow bored of the game, and it would die, and members of wikis and fansites would also dwindle, until eventually the game would be 1) made fun of for the people who played it being responsible for killing the game, or 2) be forgotten completely. And we don't want that, do we? I mean look at oblivion. If people stopped modding that, almost the entirety of the PC players would be lost, and the only players would be on PS3 or Xbox 360, which can grow very boring after a while without the possibility of modding the game, and a great game would be forgotten.Captain tweed 20:18, January 6, 2010 (UTC)

Well, finally a good point apart from all that rubbish arguments.

The problem are people modding stuff and use them alongside with people that want to play legit. While you sure have the right to play the game in a legit way the right to mod stuff out of boredom or to "customize" (like some funny chaps like to call it) is quiet questionable. Even more if you piss off fair players. Most modders are just complete morons without morals or the ability to use their common sense. And these are the peoples boundaries must be set for. Be it that modders and legit players are separated, modding weapons are completely banned or whatever. Something just have to happen about that matter. And whatever happens (if something happens), there sadly will be sane people suffering from that.

But what about a "best case scenario"? Online games are split up in two groups: Those with- and those without modded weapons. Whoever want to host or join a game has to choose between these two options. Whenever you join/host a game you will be scanned for modded stuff. If you have these you cannot join a legit game. On top of that they add a in-game modding-tool specific for people who want to create their own weapons. This idea may not be thought through thoroughly but overall this would be a solution i could live with. It wouldn't stop the problem completely but it would help. -- Cocofang 20:59, January 6, 2010 (UTC)

Is modding the game reverse engineering? Unless the developers gave permission it's illegal? - NoAccount.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.200.25.18 (talk • contribs)

wow...just wow, that's kinda funny.Toolazytomakeaaccount 23:43, January 6, 2010 (UTC)

Why can no one see that it's just a video game? Stop comparing it to war and disease and Hitler! It's not that big of a deal!-A Fistful of Lightning

Indeed. It is just a video game. Is that a reason to allow everyone to go wild on it? -- Cocofang 16:51, January 7, 2010 (UTC)

It was asked when cheating became tolerated to which I reply, "up up down down left right left right B A select start". The only difference between that and modded weapons is playing online. Host your games and boot people who have modded weapons. It's that simple, really.Phoenixlol 16:16, January 7, 2010 (UTC)

Too bad you have to kick three out of four players because they use modded weapons. Is that an acceptable state? No, it is definitely not. -- Cocofang 16:51, January 7, 2010 (UTC)

If you mod weapons and items for single-player, nobody has any business in taking issue with it.

If you mod weapons and items, and use them in multi-player co-op, don't be too surprised if you get dropped from a few games, probably because the game just isn't as fun. (When hacked weapons are in play, they may make the game too easy to be enjoyed. People like a challenge, yeah?)

If you mod weapons and items, and then use them in PvP (the arena and duels) against other players who don't know that you're using modded weapons, then it's a problem that can - and probably should - be resolved with either a ban stick, or baseball bat applied to your game disc.

In short, and as always- all's fair 'til you start bringing unfair advantages to bear against other players.*

--Volkai 16:32, January 7, 2010 (UTC)

(*Side note: This is why Windower is accepted by the Final Fantasy XI player base, while botting and claim tools get you reported and banned quick as can be.)

Plz tell me how to modd weapons. is it possible for the 360? if so how? if any1 knows hit me up here or my gamertag "sixtytwo jews"

To me modding is just another example of how lazy people are now. "Why work hard and beat the game the way it was intended, when I could just make myself a super weapon instead?" I also see this mentality at work, we get about six new kids a year who think they should be payed for standing around complaining about the job they aren't doing. I think modders should receive the same treatment these kids do, kick 'em out. Izrius

I don't see why anyone would want to mod anything for the game. Takes the point out of it in my opinion. Its a game heavily based on looting, finding cool new stuff, not just making what you find perfect. That being said as long as they keep it out of (like Volkai said) Duels and Arenas, its really nothing we should go on strike about. If your in a server where someone is using a modded item and its bothering you, its simple, leave. SLudge 19:01, January 7, 2010 (UTC)

amen, someone who makes sense, finally, i mean its not good but as i said earlier, people can have a weapon that does 50000000 dmg smg with firing rate of 10000000 and accuracy of 101, plus sometimes i forget to reload plus we don't need no water plus give sick w/e, as long as said person doesn't challenge me to a duel or get in my way idc, its like aids, idc if someone has aids, as long as there not spreading it around like wildfire, and i stick to that statement, they aren't hurting anyone, except for people who whine about ooo the games not fun anymoooore, or ooo he killed me in a duel and didn't tell me it was a modded gun, or oooo its immoral, u know what? it doesn't matter, because the creators will never ban modded weapons from the game, the only thing they should ban is dueling with modded weapons or going into arena's, a special thing where u can choose modded or non modded groups to join and if you have a modded weapon then you are sent to a modding fighting server, problem solved! no more modder's getting in you peoples soup, all they can do then is do games together and fight together, there that's your solution, and honestly if your going to whine to me how its wrong just save it, lots of things are wrong, obama is wrong and a monster, first thing he did was re-legalize still-birth abortions, don't know what it is? lucky you, also if someones reach they don't get in trouble anymore, everyone's open to being manipulated, the world is wrong, there are problems and people take advantage of little glitch's in our "programming" people get rich, they get powerful, they say what we want to hear so that we give them power, one last thing though, and I'm going to say it fairly big worded. YOU CANT STOP THE MODDER'S they are a horde, they will find a way past your "patch's" and everything else.Toolazytomakeaaccount 19:37, January 7, 2010 (UTC)

You guys just wont get sick of this point, will ya? "As long as this, as long as that." Well, there is no "as long as"! Said people challenge legit players to a duel. Said people spread it around like wildfire. Said people get in your way like hell. Just saying that nullifies all your following arguments. You can at least limit the number of modders. You can create obstacles only the better ones can handle. That would eliminate all that stupid tards with a mental level like a 12 year old child. The more difficult it gets, the less people are going to do it. Right now the security level in Borderlands is beyond zero. Everyone can learn to mod within five minutes because it is so easy it's a bad joke.

It's a disease. You can't get rid of it. But you can limit the effects. -- Cocofang 20:50, January 7, 2010 (UTC)

Great, from reading your last how many sentences I am sure there are bound to be some upcoming arguments lol. SLudge 19:54, January 7, 2010 (UTC)

lol honestly i hit a part after a while where im like, there still going on about this bs? and then i make a big post like that, then people read it and the post stops being a firefight about modding, and then changes to a firefight about how im the jackass for suggesting everyone get over themselves and give up on this bs, forums like this start as something fun, then turn into massive firefights that don't end until a admin runs in with a nuke launcher and blows the forum to hell(can u hear me lobster? wink wink nudge nudge) anyway i find it funny to at least get people off the topic that was getting tiresome, i mean its just more interesting, even for me the person who ended up being attacked.Toolazytomakeaaccount 20:37, January 7, 2010 (UTC)

Something else about modded weapons - please keep in mind that they are still being built utilizing existing parts. Players aren't coding up new parts that are completely broken, just putting the parts together in new, different, sometimes interesting, and often powerful (but sometimes laughably weak*) combinations.

To object to item modding at all, without regard to the balance of the modded item, is somewhat similar to objecting to someone putting together their lego sets in ways other than what the instructions read.

(Please note that objecting to item modding at all, and objecting to the creation and use of brokenly powerful items through modding due to unfairness, are two wholly separate things.)

* "Laughably weak? How could a modded item possibly be laughably weak?" Try adding TK's Wave barrel to a rocket launcher. I dare you.

And Toolazy, please, keep politics out of it. Thanks. --Volkai 20:09, January 7, 2010 (UTC)

Remember that kid in your neighbourhood who built his own lego-thingy and named it "indestructible, super-powerful, beating everything up, destroyer-robot"? And remember that kid used to behave like his creation was just like that? No one liked that kid because it was an asshole. This kid is a modder today. And he found himself waaay to much equals ... -- Cocofang 20:50, January 7, 2010 (UTC)

Cocofang, you've fallen into that trap of failing to distinguish between the act of modding an item and the attitude of some jerk who happens to have a modded item. The two are not inextricably tied together. --Volkai 22:47, January 7, 2010 (UTC)

Didn't really fall into any trap. Sure, not everyone who mod weapons is a total tard. But you can't deny that a majority is. And that's the problem. Already stated that above. But as I am reading below your opinion is different to this effect ("The majority of item modders, I suspect, have enough sense to limit their use of modded items to single-player or at least friends-only games."). I can't really understand where that is coming from due the fact modded stuff is flooding the whole online-world, what can't be the work of only a few idiots. And just take a look at some YouTube-Videos where modded stuff is presented. Read the comments and realize that people are actually playing the Borderlands. Sure, these comments are not representative but they show what kind of scum is out there. -- Cocofang 16:53, January 8, 2010 (UTC)

but cococfang, didn't u see how epic that lego robot was? it was awesome!! i mean seriously it had that....thing on its arm that kinda looked like a sword or another vulgar item, plus it was so....uhhh...cool looking dude, seriously how can u mock such a awesome lego robot? didn't that kid get enough insulting when he sent the design into lego and got a pre-written letter back*seriously those letters suck*Toolazytomakeaaccount 21:31, January 7, 2010 (UTC)

To be honest, I would love TK's Wave barrel on an SMG =D that sounds sweet. Although it does not exist in the game, there for I won't ever get it =(. Volkai is right again also, don't pull politics into it. I do understand how sometimes changing the subject a little can be fun though ;). SLudge 21:01, January 7, 2010 (UTC)

You see? This is exactly why I own the 360 version of the game. I don't have to worry about all this modding crap. I have fun, awesome gaes all the time and I don't have to worry about the max health and the infinite guns. Sure I have to settle for slightly lower graphics, but you know the old saying "Gameplay > graphics"

Yeah, things might be slightly more pixely, but at least I don't have to worry about mods and such. Plus, comparing weapons amongst friends and trading makes it more fun. He wants my sniper rifle that shoots fire? I'll trade him for a shotgun that spews acid. ~Damien Darkside

Newsfalsh: Modding is no PC-only-issue. X-Box360 has it too. And quiet the same amount like on PC. Open your eyes by chance.

Sorry, for busting your never-never land where PC-games are the ultimate evil that ruin every game but ... well ... u know ... assholes are everywhere. -- Cocofang 16:53, January 8, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah but you have to use a controller instead of mouse/keyboard. (Also, you don't have to worry about modded items in Borderlands on PC, generally. I've yet to see someone pull a blatantly modded weapon on me.) The majority of item modders, I suspect, have enough sense to limit their use of modded items to single-player or at least friends-only games. The few you see who don't are the exceptions, not the rule. (For the record I do not use any modded items in multiplayer. That's just not fun to me.) --Volkai 23:37, January 7, 2010 (UTC)

In additional to my statement above I'd like to say, that it seems to me we made massively different game experiences. Three out of four players that join my games use modded weapons. And about every game I join has at least one player that uses them too. The amount of modders that use their stuff online is overwhelming. -- Cocofang 16:53, January 8, 2010 (UTC)

ooo yeh damien u do need to worry about modding, people can mod any platform (cant be sure about PS3 since they sometimes say they cant) but yeh people can mod pc as-well as 360Toolazytomakeaaccount 00:08, January 8, 2010 (UTC)

Or you could just NOT worry about modding anyways, because it's really not that big a deal unless and until someone brings a modded item that is overpowered to your game - at which point you can kick them, or leave and make another game. It's just not worth getting worked up about, because you're not forced to play with people that use modded items. --Volkai 01:02, January 8, 2010 (UTC)

Do I have to start all over again? I don't feel like quoting half of the stuff I said before. Just read em by times, if you feel like it. -- Cocofang 16:53, January 8, 2010 (UTC)

I am going to quote the website, verbatim, to show that modding weapons and items in fact ruins the image of appeal that this game was created for. "The game features a groundbreaking content generation system allowing for near-endless variety in weapons and item drops." Taken DIRECTLY from http://borderlandsthegame.com/home.html (Click Information and it will show as the default text box.)which clearly shows that the emphasis is on the content generation system, in other words, what the GAME sets as drops and loot.

It wasn't written as "We toiled for months/years of intense work and personal sacrifices in crafting an immersive world full of lore and realism, so that people who have no idea how complicated this was, can undo what we've taken so long to accomplish." Creating your own items, in any way, is a direct contradiction to what the programmers strived to accomplish with this game. Modding has and will continue to ruin the programmers' original ideas, corrupting it into a Who-Has-a-Bigger-Stick Contest. --P.I.V.M. 03:22, January 8, 2010 (UTC)

No matter what a game is based on (The generation system your implying - loot in general) There will still be modding. "Again" quoting Volkai, its nothing to get worked up about. SLudge 04:41, January 8, 2010 (UTC)

Keep in mind, modding itself is nothing to get worked up about, but using those modded items to the detriment of other players is. --Volkai 16:35, January 10, 2010 (UTC)

I am not implying a generation system, it exists as programmed in the game, it's factual and not just something I've imagined. I'm not getting worked up about it in any sense, I don't care that much about a videogame, I simply stated a fact that modding goes against the original concept of the programmers. Cocofang has a great idea, although I don't think you should be able to turn the icon off, an inch will give a mile. --P.I.V.M. 17:49, January 8, 2010 (UTC)

Would be good if the game: 1. Prevented you from joining an online game if you have an item with parts/stats outside of the generated numbers or is an impossible combination for the weapon (eg, sniper rifle with chimera part, or rocket launcher with BAM!BAM!BAM!BAM!BAM!) 2. Put an icon on each server in the list with modded weapons to tell people it allows modded items. Anyone can bring any modded item to one of these servers. Maybe able to be toggled on/off so you can let people join with modded weapons even if you have none yourself to trigger the.

Nothing drastic, allows people to mod, stops them ruining other people's fun, doesn't stop them joining a server that allows modded items, everyone is happy. -----Spacespinner

Sounds very similar to my "best case scenario" above. -- Cocofang 16:53, January 8, 2010 (UTC)

If you ask me, its something Gearbox will never fix. I don't see them caring enough with the PC port to do anything about the modding that goes on in Borderlands. SLudge 04:56, January 8, 2010 (UTC)

I hope they will. It's not like it would be impossible to at least sort out the trash-modders (you know: the dumb ones). If we are able to believe the "Known Issue" Notes on the official forum there may be some kind of solution on it's way. -- Cocofang 16:53, January 8, 2010 (UTC)

Q: Does anybody still play Diablo II? A: No. Q: Why'd they all stop? A: Because of all the F**KING CHEATERS!

Mind if we clear somthing up? What you're calling "modding" is really just cheating. Call it what you will, but you're editing a save file to give your character(s) somthing they didn't earn. If you do it in multiplayer, you're cheating other people out of a fair game. If you do it for single player, you're cheating yourself out of the experience of earning [INSERT REWARD/AWARD/ACCOLADE/ACHIEVEMENT/PRAISE/SHRUNKEN HEAD/ECT...]. The more it happens, the less legitimate players will want to play at all. Remember, real modding is when you ADD somthing NEW to the game worth sharing...that doesn't destroy the playerbase. Making Laura Croft's tits bigger without making her ass look too small is modding. Making a pink and yellow candycane striped lightsaber,without changing the weapon stats, that only you can see while evrybody else sees the standard green is modding. Making a new TYPE of gun that doesn't unbalance the game and evryone has access to from within the game itself is modding. Changing the stats of your guns/character/cars/ect OR giving yourself items you havn't found IN the game is cheating. That said, I don't care if you do. Just don't insult what I do by trying to legitimise what you do by calling what you do "modding" -I.R.Programer

Amen to that. Sad part is, most people don't bother to make the differentation between the two before yelling their fucking heads off. --Nagamarky 16:19, January 8, 2010 (UTC)

There is no difference between the "modding" we talk about here and cheating. I think some people just feel better if they talk themselves into believing they are "modders" and not "cheaters". Maybe you are right and we should change the usage of that words. -- Cocofang 16:53, January 8, 2010 (UTC)

Two things: 1) There are people that still play Diablo II. I know one personally, I know he plays with other people through Battle.Net. 2) You're trying to change the language of the conversation because one term carries more negative connotations. This is an oft-used political tactic, please don't bring it into this. --Volkai 16:35, January 10, 2010 (UTC)

I would have realy appreciated it, if gearbox (as i thought they would before realease) includet a legal waepon crafting system. Like, u found a Repeater with realy nice Base-Damage cause of the barrel, but the ROF is pretty low cause of a cheap weapon-body. But look, there is another Repeater with a great ROF, so u run to the next workbench, tinker a bit with the parts, put your favourite color (u previously achieved at the store) up the gun and give it a sweet name_suffix like "RMS Incendary Firespiiter". Voilà! U got your own home-brand weapon and no use for a tool, assuming u don't want to create a Ion-connon-firing-boomstick-of-dispair... or even that if you have found such parts.

I guess, not only people who mod like to tinker, everyone would enjoy that. In my opinion, the developers just were unable to create (or didn't think about) one great feature, that would have made this whole modding-off-game-thing totaly obsolete.

I do like the fact there is a community willing to fix the problem of the totaly outdated "random-weapons like-it-or-leave-it diablo-was-a-great-game" system bullcrap, even if it is tool based.

Furthermore i would realy have loved it, if the developers made it possibile, to create your own inGame mods. I would code the fu$%"ng whole day, cuz i like that game a lot.

And if we are speaking honest, the game is missing a lot considering its great potential... Even the DLCs are if it comes only to the contend... freeware-material. They are fun and all, and thats the great strenght of that game, but be honest: they're technicaly cheap.

I dunno what's the problem with you "I hate anyone who isn't playing by the rules" -haters. I also don't like cheaters and overpowered weapons that even zeus would look pretty jealous, but i think there's a pretty obvious difference between those and people like me modding because running around, serching for a new weapon, finding nothing but bullcrap is stupid and conten is missing.

Don't be that short fused.

I mean, for just for one friggin time, use all your rant and flame power, login at the gearbox forum and tell the developers "Ayo, the game is missing features and some of us who don't want to cheat used our gray-matter a bit and figured, there might be a great thing u could put into a dlc. We buy it!"

Good for all, I could spend hours at the workbench, u could hate the real cheaters and gearbox again earned 20€ on each player who wants that.

Would not get rid of the hackers but working a bit on the online-system using filters and some little changes in the savegame mechanics would.

--DingoEgret 13:32, January 8, 2010 (UTC)DingoEgret

thing is that wouldn't stop anyone from modding, maybe the people that just want "slightly" better guns, but most people edit the game to get a gun that does 50000 dmg with a RoF of 20, seriously, u gotta understand that, now if i could mod id just put a barret 50.cal sniper into the game, give it a base damage of like 700/800/900 give it a low firing rate maybe 1.0 or less, give it a moderately good clip, maybe 5-10 shots? and then make it so it does NOT look cartoony like the rest of borderlands graphics, that's what id do, just give my self cool looking guns, not insta-kill guns (well honestly id probly make one insta-kill gun just for fun) but either way, tool bench's wouldn't get rid of most of the modders.Toolazytomakeaaccount 15:44, January 8, 2010 (UTC)

You are starting to piss me off. Really. I don't intend to get personal here but that kind of talking is just really poor. "You can't completely stop them, so why do something about it in the first place?" This is not the way of thinking that makes things better. -- Cocofang 16:53, January 8, 2010 (UTC)

So I hope they get that patch soon. :P Pdboddy 18:31, January 8, 2010 (UTC)

okay ill try to word this in a way that shouldn't offend anyone except the creators of borderlands, they're just too lazy to ban modded items, that's the main problem, how can u block something with a patch that doesn't exist, and it'd be fairly ironic if someone made a mod for borderlands that makes modding impossible, seriously talk about irony eh? but that's why i think we cant stop them, because they don't care what we say and as long as there's no patch's (lets just accept the creators are too lazy) so we have no way to stop them, leaving there party...ooooo i mean really, so bottom line, you don't like modders don't be in there group! that's all you need to do, is hit leave and poof guess what? u left! no more modder annoying you, problem solved, that's the simplest and easiest solution.Toolazytomakeaaccount 19:26, January 8, 2010 (UTC)

It is true they are to lazy to do something about it. They are making money off the game that is all they care about. As I said before, I am pretty sure there will never be a fix for it. All we can do is accept it and simply not play with them. Its as simple as that. SLudge 20:44, January 8, 2010 (UTC)

It would be pretty much impossible to ban modded items because they are modded using the existing parts. However, it is possible to sharply curtail the range of possible modded items (I am working on a large post that will be below, and mention this.) --Volkai 16:35, January 10, 2010 (UTC)

On one Point you're right, TooLazy, cuz as I said, this idea is not making cheaters stop cheating. I guess it kinda rewarding for some realy poor kind of people, making their Boomstic a lot bigger than those of their competitors, injecting a shitload of dopamin.

But Coco is right too, saying that verbally negating everything that could work that shit out is... I don't want to say "even poorer" so i say "not the way to go".

The system I explained reward people like me and like all those who say "that farmin system is kinda stupid, i want to go through that game and pick up the parts I need to make me a better BangBang."

It's just making the game... a bit less random, cuz i think a game should not work that way. I don't say "the game is challanging cuz is must reaload new heaven 30 times a day, to get ONE good sniper Rifle." I say "This game is challanging cuz I must use my brain and my effort to build me a better sniper Rifle." Feel free to say "I don't want that, I need to go from crest to crest the whole day.", But if you want a new content making the game more "complete" and "fair", stop negating my thoughts and say "So then, take the lead, we're heading for gearbox!"

One thing in this whole conversation is disturbing me alot: The Producer never sits back after releasing a game, caring a Zero about what the community, BUYING that game, is complaining about now. Bad Mojo! It is the interest of a company to study the likes of their customers to obtain what? Right... MONEY! If not, they're stupid, cuz the dream of every producer should be a community with cooking gray-matter, so they just hack in what the community made the plan for and earn the money without wasting an afternoon at the oracle.

And for the last thing, the cheaters: it's just and only the responsibility of the developer to make cheating impossible (and that is technically possible)... or their mothers, to punch their little bastrads a little more in the face... or some good modders, pursuing them around the globe and making their lifes as miserable as possible.

--DingoEgret 02:29, January 9, 2010 (UTC)

Its not possible to make it impossible for modders/cheaters (whatever everyone pleases to call them) to mod or cheat. It is possible to help prevent it, not possible to eliminate it 100%. SLudge 03:21, January 9, 2010 (UTC)

dont yall have anything better to do then sit here and argue?

I don't see it as an argument yet. If it were to ever get to that I would most likely stop posting. No one is getting overly anal, so it does not qualify as arguing imo. SLudge 07:29, January 10, 2010 (UTC)

maybe in the future gearbox will release an update that allows you to choose to join a modded or a non modded game and if you join a non modded game, it will block you from using the modded weapons until you leave. then everyones happy :D Roboticsuperman 09:41, January 10, 2010 (UTC)

--- The one thing I wish Gearbox would do is SHOW THE GODDAMN COUNTRY that the game is hosted in! Due to the port forwarding f***ups the game has with multiplayer (another mistake) Almost every single game I CAN join is in America. All of us Aussies are adding each other to our friends lists just so we can have games without excruciating lag. And another thing, stop bitching about modded weapons. I dont care if the guy who joins my game has a leviathan with 1000 damage and shoots 7 rockets... which is actually my creation :D, JUST SO LONG AS THEY DONT PICKUP OTHER WEAPONS! Seriously, you have a instakill charlie foxtrot rocket launcher that looks like a party popper and does OVER 9000 damage! WHY DO YOU NEED ANOTHER F***ING GUN??? Finally, making awesomely powerful greek god weapons makes the game boring, fast. I hardly ever use my party popper o' doom. I have a friend that stopped playing becuase he got bored using his awesome weapons. So quit raving about evil modders. Just ask them to stop using their modded weapons. Unless theyre an arse they will, if they are an arse, kick 'em. SIMPLE AS THAT

whats its power level? lol Roboticsuperman 12:04, January 10, 2010 (UTC)

Is it cheating?
There seems to be some confusion on this. There are two terms being bandied about, modding and cheating. Cheating is technically the circumvention in any way of the mechanics of the game, and item modding falls under this. However, the term 'cheating' also carries the connotation that one is circumventing the mechanics to gain an unfair advantage over other players, which is not inherently true when it comes to item modding.

Item modding is simply the act of creating or altering the parts that go into an item. The parts you can choose are limited to those that already exist within the game. The only difference between what can be made by the game as opposed to by modding are the item generation system's limitations (such as only one barrel, one magazine, only pistol scopes on pistols, total weapon 'weight', etc.) Item modders are not bound by such limitations, but some will self-impose those same limitations to keep their creations balanced with the weapons generated by the game. Others will not, or will partially follow the limitations, creating oddball items that may (or may not) be more powerful than what the item generation system can make. If a modded items is or is not cheating (with all connotations intact) can be better determined by how powerful it is, and in what context it is used (PvE solo vs. PvE multiplayer vs. PvP), than by if it is or is not a modded item.

Because item modding utilizes the existing parts, simply saying 'ban all modded items' is infeasible. However, the freedom of item modders could be sharply curtailed by adding limitations to the item system - if one is forced to follow the standard parts format (one barrel, one magazine, no missing parts, etc.), limited to using parts of the same weapon type (no sniper rifle scopes on rocket launchers), and/or forced to keep an item within a certain 'weight' (no pearlescent/red weapons), then the incredibly powerful weapons that seem to be the bane of 'anti-modder' people (those utilized by players who are cheaters in every sense of the word) would quickly disappear.

--Volkai 16:35, January 10, 2010 (UTC)

Guys modding weapons is awesome as long as you dont make the gun over powered and stupid. If its a gun that goes 300 damage with a scope a and infinite ammo thats fine because its not a gun that will lag the games ass off. Modding is great because the awesome modders of today will be the game programers of tommarow:Sentrox

Actually a scoped 300-damage gun with a bottomless clip is quite stupid, 'cause it still affects the game. (And as far as I've tried, my Dove can't do 300 damage, so no luck passing it off as stock.) "Lagging the game's ass off" is a criteria that only excludes the crazy guns, not those that do thousands of damage per shot, for example. --Nagamarky 22:50, January 10, 2010 (UTC)

Someone sounds like a 12-year-old here ... just another kid that differs between "bad cheating" and "not-that-bad cheating" to make himself feel better.

No one will become a "programmer" just because he play around with some stupid weapon-parts for the sake of cheating. It's like saying someone who plays Guitar Hero will be the next Jimi Hendrix. -- Cocofang 14:54, January 11, 2010 (UTC)

now _that_ was a proper and entertaining analogy!

Clearly, Sentrox and Nagamarky have differing opinions on the unacceptability threshold of modded items. --Volkai 23:12, January 10, 2010 (UTC)

" Don't be a dick and ruin someone else's gaming experience" So you come into my game with a modded pistol and proceed to run around killing everything so I have to boot you? Should I have to leave every game I try and join because they're using modded guns and shields? Or should I ONLY make my own games from now on and boot everyone that looks modded? Wasting far too much of my time trying to find a decent game, and limiting me on who I can play w/ because 9/10 people are using mods. So, you're running "MY" gaming experience by filling multiplayer with weapons that weren't mean to be in the game. Also, whats the point in dueling when you never have to reload, you never die, and you can pull out a gun at any point to one shot somebody? If you like modding so much, keep it in single player, and dont start dropping random moded shields in the middle of a game. Dunno how many class mods I've lost from somebody dropping that money shield in the middle of a spiderant frenzy. Keep it in single player if you like modding guns so much, that way you won't ruin my game and any other person who wants to actually play legit.

I suppose everyone has their own opinion of modded weapons. If you change the color of the gun, that's fine. But if you change the damage to like 50k and make it shoot out 200 grenades every three seconds, it's not okay. if I find a modded weapon, I take and sell it to a vending machine, I don't go lagging games and killing people to ruin the game for everyone else. So please, if you find a modded weapon, item, or anything, either sell it to a vendor or just be responsible, Don't let greed overcome you. - Mordecai Freeman

I play with friends that have modded guns, characters, sheilds, etc. They know that I don't use them but I don't get all bend out of shape if they do. My only concern is when the guns lag the game that I'm hosting. If someone I'm playing with starts lagging the game, I kick them. It's that simple. If I'm in someone elses game and they are using modded weapons, no problem, if those guns lag the game, I leave. IT'S A GAME PEOPLE LET IT GO!!! Scatty25 01:00 May 1, 2010

-1 Internets for you guys reviving a long dead thread. -- MeMadeIt 08:20, May 1, 2010 (UTC)

it seems that the middle ground would be for Gearbox to invent airtight servers for those who want to play mod free and the servers they have now for people who want to mod. This way you could choose whether or not you wanted to be with said people. ShadyCake 13:47, May 2, 2010 (UTC)

Or everyone could stop whinning about everything and go outside or something...-Bowerpowers

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