Draco variants can be found listed below.All item and weapon cards must be displayed in the table provided. Images displayed elsewhere in this page will be removed and / or deleted.Variants added without supporting images may be redacted.
I found something that is extremely similar to a Draco, but it has discrepencies that make me wonder. Level 25: 135 dmg, 87.2 acc, x3 incendiary, 4.3 rof, 110 mag size, x2.1 zoom scope. Labeled as an S&S HLK390.3 Scoped Machine Gun. 68.17.195.113 21:19, January 13, 2011 (UTC)
_nothing_ else but a revolution has a magazine that size. Dr. F 23:34, January 13, 2011 (UTC)
That's gotta be the smallest mag I have ever seen on a Draco...perhaps a item card would be gooClick for inventory!Riceygringo 17:40, February 7, 2011 (UTC)
I'm curious about something with this gun. I've got a TCH29 Glorious Machine Gun that fits the discription of the Draco but the strange thing about it is, it's a green name and not purple, can anyone verify if this is an actual Draco or am I just lucky to find a gun Similar to it. 158 Damage 87.2 Accuracy 7.6 Fire Rate 120 Clip X4 Fire.Sharakonta 03:48, May 18, 2010 (UTC)
I found a super duper machine gun with 4x fire, high damage, high acc, and pretty high fire rate. I found it in the armory, and only picked it up at first because it was over 4 million in value. How could I confirm that it was one of these imfamous guns? ZoeyMithra 15:11, April 14, 2010 (UTC)
Draco is only MG with x4 fire, and should have close to 100+ ammo mag, but the x4 fire is a give away that its a draco, lucky yu :) TreeJs 16:17, April 14, 2010 (UTC)
Maybe add save-editor data that you used to produce it? So it can be replicated. Nagamarky 09:01, December 8, 2009 (UTC)
Where Should i paste this? save file? Casperk WAS HERE 19:44, December 10, 2009 (UTC)
I've been using WillowTree. If you're on a console it's still possible but more involved. Try [1] and good luck. --Raisins 20:36, December 10, 2009 (UTC)
I made it i really think i made it! Casperk WAS HERE... AGAIN 19:44, December 10, 2009 (UTC) PS. what do the last 3 files mean the 0 1 0?
Remaining ammo count, Quality [0-5], Slot Equipped [0-4] --Raisins 21:34, December 10, 2009 (UTC)
ya found uot and made ULTRA strong gun only UPing quality Look at bottom its my gun
i, for one, disagree that a hacked example of anything should be used in this wiki. it sets a bad example and is it not possible that this weapon and the driver are being held in reserve by gearbox to be included/enabled with forthcoming DLC? @nagamarkey - the two editors i have used are supported by online documentation.
Agreed.... hacked/modded versions of weapons do not reflect what the in-game default code is restricted to generate, and aren't good examples. --HybridDragoness 09:25, December 8, 2009 (UTC)
Thirded. If anything, create a category for "Hacked & Modified Weapons" so that it is easily seen in the article for the weapon. I'm not against people hacking/modding weapons per se, I just don't want them polluting the confirmed, legitimate information... -Effedup
The files for this gun exist, it just doesn't spawn in game. We also have pages for grenade launchers, a similar situation. Also the Draco is more likely just a bug rather than removed content. Why should just the S&S orange Combat Rifle be missing?
This is as opposed to hacked nonsense guns, agreed they don't deserve pages. And anyway, they also won't have their own titles like Draco. Perhaps what's needed is a warning template banner. "This article contains..." --Raisins 17:06, December 8, 2009 (UTC)
Either way...a banner is fine too, just something that clearly spells out that it's not found in normal gameplay. I use the Final Fantasy XI wiki, and they use a banner of that type for items found in the .dat files. The banner can be found on this page.
As far as the grenade launchers, they should have the same banner. I didn't know they had their own pages already. Anything that doesn't spawn in normal gameplay, whether is has to be coaxed out via the dat files, or created from scratch, should have a banner like that.- EffedupakaAngryDeuce!! 17:12, December 8, 2009 (UTC)
I actually found a blue S&S Glorious Machine Gun (Machine Gun being the title) with a x3 fire designation. I thought this curious, so I went to WillowTree, and saw that the accessory was the S&S Draco Incendiary. The game spawns the Draco, but it won't name the weapon properly. When I added the Draco title, it pushed the fire damage up to a ludicrous amount (I was able to deal 500 damage per shot, not including when the fire kicks in).--Allane 16:42, December 25, 2009 (UTC)
This massacre is probably a draco then --Raisins 09:26, December 30, 2009 (UTC)
The same happened to me, except it was green. Maybe it can be found in-game, but is bugged so the weapons are not named properly... --HybridDragoness 06:09, January 5, 2010 (UTC)
Not much point in making a table or collecting arbitrary save edited examples.
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Besides on the Weapons page its Pic says LVL 13 or something that much DMG at that lvl would be over kill i think it was tooken out for the sake of keeping it real
I know there are other levels like LVL 40 on this page but thats playthrough 2 i think
It just has very high quality parts, barrel/body/material. So that's basically just the kind of damage a non-elemental purple machine gun at level 13 is going to have. It's S&S too, so a Torgue or Atlas would be stronger still. --Raisins 09:26, December 30, 2009 (UTC)
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Well, heres a lvl 48 glorious machine gun,looking at it in the save editor its a draco,the titles just machine gun instead of SandS draco,the strange thing is
that changing the MG title,it had no effect on the edited weapon whatsoever,it still preformed the same.-- M.j.caboose 06:55, February 22, 2010 (UTC)
It seems I found one too, picked up after defeating Crawmerax. A HVY590 Glorious Massacre, level 57, but obviously not called Draco.
I read the tutorial in order to solve the glitch but didn't understand everything. I have WillowTree and the code table, what do I do with that ?
Maybe I'm a dumb but I won't help me to have a real Draco in my inventory. ~~ Alsaco Powa 17:37, April 2nd, 2010 (UTC)
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Ex: (picture up soon) Level Requirement: 52, Glorious Massacre(S&S Munitions); 126 damage, 95.2 accuracy, 8.6 fire rate, 104 clip, X4 Incendiary, Highly effective vs Flesh, Chance to light enemies on fire, +80 Magazine Size, 68% Recoil Reduction, 1.8x Weapon Zoom
--(Taken from main article, posted by UlteUltimate 06:51, March 19, 2010 (UTC))
I think I've found a variant of the Draco with a smaller magazine size - 93 instead 104, 120 or 124. Alsaco Powa
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Yes its a glorious one also naga, just like the picture up there TreeJs 00:14, April 27, 2010 (UTC)
Heh, my question was whether the "Dracos" always spawn with Glorious prefixes. --Nagamarky 13:59, April 27, 2010 (UTC)
Well, seeing that the Draco accessory is a very high quality part and the Glorious prefix is a quality-based prefix, one might assume it usually if not always comes with the Glorious prefix. Spaphrenchie 03:28, April 30, 2010 (UTC)
Shouldn't the actual topic page show an example of the Draco with its flavor text and title to make it as close to how it should be along with what is actually found? SpootKnight 07:40, April 30, 2010 (UTC)
They look the same, frynote:image has been removed or moved to the variant table.frynote:image has been removed or moved to the variant table. but the weapon box template might only support one picture. --Nagamarky 13:42, April 30, 2010 (UTC)
What about using the picture using the Draco title then with a sidenote saying if the bug wasn't present that it would look like this in addition to having an Orange-colored name?
call meɜ stupid orɜ not after reading about all the post i still foot have a clue... can you get the draco even if you don't have the secret armory of general knoxx?
Yes... kind of: you cannot get "the Draco" as in a properly-named version, but support machineguns are able to spawn with the Draco accessory - indications of this would be x4 incendiary and a 120-round magazine --Nagamarky 05:13, May 29, 2010 (UTC)
so playthrough 2 i beat ok... which boss or superbad npc would drop it more often and would farming in new haven with scav mod that gives 2 team find rare items which would give sooner
None.
This weapon is glitched. DRACO never appears as a name.
A machine gun w/ 124~ magazine and 4X Fire = Draco.
I just picked up this AR590.3 Glorious Massacre doing the Armory glitch, and I think this baby will be getting some serious use: 297 damage; 93.9% accuracy; 8.8 RoF; x4 incendiary; 124 magazine; a decent scope (not listed - I think it's something like x1.8); +100 magazine size; +77% recoil reduction; +70% accuracy. Even equipped it still lists as $9999999. Woohoo! Outbackyak 14:46, June 23, 2010 (UTC)
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Are you saying that a Draco must have a 124 clip and a x4 fire to be a draco, or that a gun that has a 124 clip and x4 fire has to be a draco? I ask because GearCalc lets me use the draco accesory on guns with clips ranging from high 50's to 124, and x3 fire.Eatingleg4peanut 13:05, June 30, 2010 (UTC)
No, we are saying that there are no specific numbers, but the stats that appear the most at high levels are 297-324/x4. Just use some discretion. (As far as I've tried, which is the entirely of half a minute, the only possible magazine sizes are 60/62, 90/93, 120/124; this being across mag2,4,5 and materials 1&2 / 3) --Nagamarky 13:47, June 30, 2010 (UTC)
So is there no definate way to identify the Draco? Also I keep trying to move that picture back up to the guy who posted its post but I can't get it to the right spot, sorry.Eatingleg4peanut 14:54, June 30, 2010 (UTC)
It's quite definite at the level cap: x3-4, 93/124 mag - these are the only variants I've seen. But considering I've never run a starter character in a long time, I'm not too sure about how easy it is to spot one with the lower magazines.
tl;dr Play long enough and you'll know one when you see one. --Nagamarky 15:01, June 30, 2010 (UTC)
Just to clarify - the Draco definitely can spawn with x3 IncendiaryEdit
I've got two Dracos (dropped by Craw) which are definitely Dracos in that they have the Draco Accessory and 120 clip mags, but they are only X3 Incendiary, not x4; you can see the Draco accessory hanging below the barrels in the photos below. I checked them out on GearCalc and was able to recreate both of them exactly, and were called "legit".
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So for anybody who is confused by the discussion above (I know I was) - if it has the Draco accessory, in my opinion it's a Draco, so long as it has a 120 or 124 clip, regardless of whether it's x3 or x4.
Incidentally, GearCalc doesn't have a problem with the Draco accessory spawning with smaller clip sizes, but these probably wouldn't have got the Draco title (if the game allowed that title to spawn, which it doesn't). Outbackyak 17:49, July 16, 2010 (UTC)
sorry about the huge photo but Is this a draco i think it is i got it from my fth craw run (of the day):( ok idk if the picture is up but here is the stats damage 279 accuracy 87.2 fire rate 8.8 text highly effective versus flesh +100 magizine +58% recoil reduction 2.1 weapon zoom 124 round clip X4 fire element price 3693846$ manufactur SaSfrynote:image has been removed or moved to the variant table.Disloyalsafe 19:51, August 12, 2010 (UTC)frynote:image has been removed or moved to the variant table.
So, what I'm wondering is blue rarity possible on a Draco? I've never seen that happen before and I've found many Dracos. Stickboy2323 03:39, November 27, 2010 (UTC)
Even Green rarity is possible if the material/body/stock/barrel/mag are sufficiently low-quality. Look for the Draco accessory (it resembles a Deathly, but with incendiary coloration). That's the sure giveaway. Daemmerung 15:16, March 9, 2011 (UTC)
It's definitely possible, just not that common. I've found five Dracos so far, and only one is blue. LunarArchivist 15:25, June 19, 2011 (UTC)
So with the new patch and all, I was screwing up some Crawmaxes and came across a (Purple) Glorious Massacre with 124 mag and x4 fire, 91.2 accuracy, 333 initial attack, and an 8.8 ROF. its worth $9,999,999. is it a legit Draco? Jasprthehobo 02:55, November 28, 2010 (UTC)
Crawmerax does not drop level 69 items. You can get a legit level 69 Draco from a vending machine though. Logisim 06:13, June 20, 2011 (UTC)
Pretty good Draco, but practically useless for my Siren Edit
Of the many I found on Crawmerax, this was pretty good. However, for a Siren it's pretty useless, since you have the Hellfire, which burns stuff much better. Even a Volcano is better for me with a Specter COM.T0yz 11:36, December 2, 2010 (UTC)frynote:image has been removed or moved to the variant table.
I completely agree with you. I really tought that this is a good choice for my soldier because i primarily use Combat Rilfes with him but the fire effect is so disappointing. Hellfire is one of the primary weapons for all of my characters. But since they added the Serpens there is a good balance again. Cause a good corrosive SMG is still missing. (Pestilent Bitch is a good choice for my Siren but still not as good as the effect of a Serpens.) ADreamer 14:49, January 3, 2011 (UTC)
Can someone verify that you can have <100 round Dracos?? The main page states you can have even 60 round Dracos and that looks quite suspicious. So far I have seen no less than 10-20 Dracos and all of them either have 120 or 124 round clips. I'm assuming people are mistaking regular incendiary S&S CRs for Dracos. Removing the magazine size info until further info...Click for inventory!Riceygringo 07:35, February 15, 2011 (UTC)
CRs with 60 round Magazines!!! More seriously though, I have no idea. I'll rewrite the article with words like "higher than normal" and "Usually". Happypal 08:03, February 15, 2011 (UTC)
Nevermind, the page is fine with the "citation needed". Happypal 08:07, February 15, 2011 (UTC)
Wow....The construct Doc posted, is that the worst possible construct for a Draco?Click for inventory!Riceygringo 17:15, February 15, 2011 (UTC)
Yes, it is arguably the worst you could get. You'll never have that spawn in game though. Gearbot dictates that unique weapons adhere to some minimum quality standards, I believe, but I could be wrong. Happypal 18:12, February 15, 2011 (UTC)
Ya I agree, I doubt anything that bad spawns...and it's WHITE, for god's sake lol...I'm itching to put the citation back there but lol I'm no expert on game mechanicsClick for inventory!Riceygringo 17:23, February 16, 2011 (UTC)
Um.. S&S machine guns cannot spawn with mag2, as far as anyone can tell. If you have a pic of S&S mag2 in a chest, please feel free to disagree and post your contradiction (since it's impossible to prove that mag2 is impossible without examining the game code). Therefore, at least 79 rounds in the mag for Draco. Also, just from this one restriction (there could be others), Dracos must be at least green rarity (body2 (1) + mag4 (1) + accessory (3) = 5 = green). Logisim 06:06, June 20, 2011 (UTC)
79 mag draco: [2] That's the worst draco parts possible. Logisim 02:49, July 30, 2011 (UTC)
Regarding Title "Draco" appearing when added via save editor Edit
There are examples RIGHT HERE on the talk page that the title is functional when added to the weapon with a save editor and loads ingame, why then was my edit regarding this deleted and reverted to the old "The title does not appear when added with a save editor" If I am misunderstanding the page then tell me how to interpret it but when I look at it I see, "this title will not work even if you force it with a save editor" and to me that logic is clearly flawed. Is it refering to the proper Orange rarity level? Someone explain this to me so we can have a proper definition on the page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Septagon (talk • contribs)
I first made a Massacre with the Draco accessory, and then made a copy and changed the title to Draco. Both guns appeared in game, but the Draco did not have a title or red text.frynote:image has been removed or moved to the variant table.frynote:image has been removed or moved to the variant table.Beware the clap 03:54, June 19, 2011 (UTC)
Then I believe you did not edit it correctly. The code for the title is gd_weap_support_machinegun.Title.TitleM_SandS_Draco. I just tried this on PC version 1.41, and "Draco" title still works when edited in. See pics on right. Logisim 05:54, June 20, 2011 (UTC)
frynote:image has been removed or moved to the variant table.frynote:image has been removed or moved to the variant table.That is the same title code that I used, and Willowtree even calls it a Glorious Draco in the weapon list. Oh well, I'll try again this weekend.Beware the clap 03:36, June 21, 2011 (UTC)
Okay too much "you have to have this mag size or this fire element multiplier or this accuracy" or whatever. Guys, there are 2 characteristics that will surely tell a Draco from another incendiary machine gun:
Has fire element (doesn't matter what multiplier)
Has round cylinder accessory under the barrel (looks like Deathly; the normal incendiary accessory does not look like that)
Thanks for the simple explanation. PS. in the picture the gun looks brown and yellow but on the gun stat card it'll look black and yellow. 174.134.128.19 22:09, July 25, 2011 (UTC)McRedidyred
Brown and yellow is S&S material 2. Dämmerung 22:11, July 25, 2011 (UTC)
Oh yeeeah............ But some guns look black but when you pull them out they look brownish. 174.134.128.19 19:32, July 26, 2011 (UTC)McRedidyred
I have a Glorious Massacre that I believe is a Draco. Yes it is Incendiary (3x), has 120 magazine size, and has that under-barrel peice. I am currently holding on to it, but what I was wondering was do you think it counts as a Legendary? I have every Legendary weapon (without modding) and I don't really need it taking up space, but if it's a Legendary..... It doesn't have it's own name or red phrase, and I could find a better Fire combat rifle that isn't a Draco; but it's suppose to have its name. So do you think the Draco counts as a Legendary weapon? 174.134.128.19 22:05, July 25, 2011 (UTC)McRedidyred
1 to 0. Anybody else? 174.134.128.19 18:17, July 27, 2011 (UTC)McRedidyred
draco is a legendary weapon. it had the flavor text Dragon fire! before it glitched up and gearbot decided it was a common weapon. with its deep tech pool, support rifle magazine, and high accuracy, (not to mention the ridiculous rarity) you'll be hard pressed to find a better incendiary cr. consider yourself lucky; most players overlook this gun and sell it off, not realizing what it really is. 18:33, July 27, 2011 (UTC)
The "only" other fire weapons in the game that "might" be better than a Draco are the Hellfire SMG and Firehawk Pistol. That really depends on what character is useing them. In the hands of a Soldier, they are all about the same. So enjoy your Draco, its a glitched Legendary but a Legendary none the less. 20:16, July 27, 2011 (UTC)
3 to 0. I really think people will just be saying the same, so I think I'll keep it. Thanks for the input. Honestly the gun doesn't seem that impressive, so if I need to light people on fire I'll just use my Hellfire. 174.134.128.19 22:51, July 27, 2011 (UTC)McRedidyred
Courtesy of Lex from gbxforums. Logisim 02:27, July 31, 2011 (UTC)
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The HLK24 Support Machine Gun at the bottom of the Varieties table came from a red chest in the Tetanus Warrens on PT1. In the hands of a baby Blast Master it served well. I argue that it is the worst Draco ever! Dämmerung 17:15, January 1, 2012 (UTC)
Found this today in Jakob's Cove. I was pretty happy, since I was using a Massacre that fit the description other than the fire elemental effect.frynote:image has been removed or moved to the variant table. I will be using this religiously until I find a better replacement
Is this verified? It seems to very rarely proc for me, nothing like even an ogre which seems to only be 75ish, much less a hellfire with guaranteed proc. — Ilvandel (talk to me) 01:18, June 6, 2012 (UTC)
What is verified? (sorry if I missed the discussion) The Draco has more tech pool than a standard incendiary MG, but it does not spew fire like a Hellfire does. If you want to burn something down, get a Hellfire. And yes, you're right it doesn't proc as often as Ogre. The Draco always requires some tech pool to proc, whereas the Ogre can proc when it's empty. Logisim 02:30, June 11, 2012 (UTC)
Just to emphasize the point, for the peanut gallery: Ogre can, but does not always, proc when it's empty. Unlike the ridiculous Hellfire which always generates an elemental event, even on an empty tech pool. Or the Draco, which for all its many virtues (and it is indeed awesome) cannot proc when empty. Dämmerung 05:14, June 11, 2012 (UTC)