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edit. good looking out. Dr. F 
00:58, August 25, 2010 (UTC)
Thanks Dr. F! Just trying to do my part around here. And troll the modders. I love trolling modders.
| “ | No one has a reaper. It's just how it is. The only way we know of their existence was after Uberorb abducted a gearbox employee and force fed him pancakes.
— NOhara
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I remember that like it was yesterday. That's also how I got a Stalker. I might have to force feed another one of 'em blueberry muffins if I don't find a Mega Cannon pretty soon... Uberorb 
(Literally the only gun I haven't found in game yet)
RE: 12k Bessie
nagy talk
log 15:39, September 20, 2010 (UTC)
Well that settles it. Lillith is a better sniper than Mordecai. Thanks for that. NOhara24 16:48, September 20, 2010 (UTC)
how do you show things like ive reached the vault im lvl 61 and syuff like that.
The fuck are you trying to say? NOhara24 01:40, September 22, 2010 (UTC)
OH. Well since he hasn't posted back I'll just leave him be.
hey
You were wondering who I am. I am bureaucrat of 4 different successful wikis and I have been on this website a while but haven't had time to go on wikis until now Matt of the wastes P.S. I have a friend who is a sorta fanatic about borderlands and tells me all of this stuff about stuff for borderlands that no-one on this wiki has seen.
Oh, well good for you then. Regardless, unless you can give us a reliable source (No, your friend doesn't count.) for your info, you can expect it to be edited/deleted by the people on THIS wiki. We're pretty stringent on that sort of thing. NOhara24
haha
You'll probably like the "running-joke" comments I've added to the "everything disapperead" thread. GT: ConceitedJarrad XBOX360 18:33, September 23, 2010 (UTC)
Conceited is a pretty cool guy. Eh makes me lol and doesn't afraid of anything. LIST THEM AGAIN. BACKWARDS. NOhara24 18:37, September 23, 2010 (UTC)
Did you catch the whole 12 days of christmas thing?GT: ConceitedJarrad XBOX360 18:40, September 23, 2010 (UTC)
I didn't the first time, but I then re-sang it with your post, and it clicked. "FIVE MODDED SERPENS..." lulz were had. NOhara24 18:48, September 23, 2010 (UTC)
is it possible for to not edit anything i post for the stupidest reasons.
my last post is correct in that is it the far north and thats not midgetville. it north west of midgetville
if you want to make posts find the red chests yourself and add the info on the page
jesus -LordBaal
The pump is in the midgetville. What are you not getting? And if It's not in midgetville, why did you edit the midgetville page and include that chest?NOhara24 21:21, September 23, 2010 (UTC)
i edited the midgetville page for 2 red chests that are in that area. this red chest isnt one of those. its far to the north near lockdown palace next to a pump. go play the game and look at the chests im pointing out. im editing as i find them right now -LordBaal
Do you really think that you're the ONLY person to somehow find those chests within the YEAR that DLC3 has been out? Considering all of the players on here, I'm doubtful.NOhara24 21:30, September 23, 2010 (UTC)
i think if i give good directions to the chests for people who are new or havent found them all there is no reason for someone else to feel the need to edit each post giving false information because they want to feel important since they think the sunken sea is there area to post on and no one elses -LordBaal
I'm done editing all the crap you put up. I'm deleting it, check your page. And if it wasn't me, it would be someone else. NOhara24 21:30, September 23, 2010 (UTC)
please tell me how to start my own page to tell people about weapon locations and ill link it there and u never have to see it again- LordBaal
i took the liberty of removing the other chest locations from notes as per your request they are not to be the note section of the sunken sea -LordBaal
You shouldn't have to start a new page, they should already be there. In the search bar, Type "(Whatever area you're looking for) chest locations" It should come up. NOhara24 21:38, September 23, 2010 (UTC)
im
try again. had to let the cats out. Dr. F 01:13, September 24, 2010 (UTC)
tell me please, what was your UC address? pretty sure you been with us a long time. Dr. F 00:48, September 27, 2010 (UTC)
If by UC, you mean my screen name on IM, it's the same as my username on here. NOhara24 NOhara24 01:25, September 27, 2010 (UTC)
no, i mean on the wiki you used to hand edit your name into your signature did you not? or am i confusing you with someone else? irc is at Category:Policy mind you wikia gate is currently blocked so use freenode or your own client for now. Dr. F 02:12, September 27, 2010 (UTC)
Oh you mean my IP. I don't have it offhand, but I'll get it to you as soon as I can, I'm on my iPhone now so I don't have it, but yes,for awhile I was hand-editing my name in. Hopefully I'll see you on the IRC soon. NOhara24 02:50, September 27, 2010 (UTC)
- just want to confirm when you started contributing. Dr. F
06:39, September 27, 2010 (UTC)
- I signed out and made a post on my mac, says it's "68.98.138.250" which that may be one of the UCs I contributed under, as I also used my work PC. NOhara24 14:15, September 27, 2010 (UTC)
so youve been with us since july? Dr. F 22:52, September 28, 2010 (UTC)
Yes Dr. NOhara24 23:04, September 28, 2010 (UTC)
Don't stop trying. Ignore the Wiki-n00bs like Smashman2
Ignore the Wiki-newbs who come in here and revert shit because they think it's right. Keep doin' what you do. AtlasSoldier 20:33, September 28, 2010 (UTC)
If we ever meet in real life, I owe you a beer. This is the hardest I've worked on anything that isnt...work. I think I've racked up 70 edits today alone. NOhara24 20:36, September 28, 2010 (UTC)
I just went through the history of the news, and you need to take a break. No, smashman wasn't right, but he was a lot closer than you were until the very final, current version. It is very necessary to note that currently it is only out for the xbox, otherwise all the pc and ps3 people come in here and see it's released, go try and buy it, and find out that it isn't. Once all versions are released, then we can just let it sit at "Claptrap's New Robot Revolution released." Laserrobotics (talk) 21:42, September 28, 2010 (UTC)
If you're looking at the current news I let it sit at "PS3 and PC release PENDING". after whoever edited it didn't make it sound like it was released exclusively today for the Xbox 360. EDIT: Infact, I just merged 2 updates to made it nice and pretty. So your accusations are pretty baseless. NOhara24 22:21, September 28, 2010 (UTC)
- Fine, I'll let it sit since you rolled back all the edits that gave my accusations a base. Good job. Laserrobotics (talk) 22:40, September 28, 2010 (UTC)
- Nope, they're still there. All I was doing was "Undoing" everything that said "Released today for Xbox 360." Because it will end up being inaccurate by the end of today. What I was reverting to was, and always be, more accurate. NOhara24 23:05, September 28, 2010 (UTC)
DLC4 mission flow
As the dlc is now officially, released, will you relent with the deletion tag? This is a wiki, if pages weren't created procedurally they wouldn't exist. Not many people want to have to go and gather up all the information for a page all at once. Laserrobotics (talk) 21:19, September 28, 2010 (UTC)
Quite frankly, no. I've done more editing as of today than your entire edit count, matter of fact, TWICE AS MUCH. This wiki is mine today. And if there's no other writeups on the missions it's talking about, let alone NO LINKS TO THE MISSIONS THEMSELVES,I'm going to apply a delete tag until someone of repute (Sysop, Nagy, Atlas anyone else I'm forgetting.) Removes it. NOhara24 21:23, September 28, 2010 (UTC)
"Oh, look at me, I've participated in a whole bunch of edit wars and grammar corrections, that must mean I'm so much better than you are, especially since you've only been coming here for a month" A simple no would have been fine, although I would have asked for a reason. Since you don't appear to have one, I'll remove the deletion tag and clean up the page a bit. Please, take a break before you blow up. I've done it before. Laserrobotics (talk) 21:45, September 28, 2010 (UTC)
My reason being the page is useless in it's current form, and no one has even tried to create pages for the missions to link it to(Sysops delete pages like that all of the time if you haven't noticed.). If you're going to clean up the page, go ahead. Don't come on my talk page and patronize me because I've contributed nine times the edits that you have to the wiki, in the month that I've (officially) been here. (Strange you would call me out on that considering I've got a message from Dr.F asking for my UC tag, because I was here longer than the month my profile shows.) Between that and yesterday marked YOUR first complete month of activity. Come at me when you can back your shit up. Otherwise, edit quietly and keep your ignorant self off of my talk page. NOhara24 22:19, September 28, 2010 (UTC)
- I can back it up just fine, just not with proof from this particular wiki. I'm global admin over on the Audiosurf forums, and an administrator for the Audiosurf wiki. Granted, that wiki is dead now because Audiosurf isn't exactly a wiki game, but I'm not just some random idiot who decided Borderlands is a fun game to troll about. I don't know where you're from, but where I moderate we frown upon the kind of arrogance you're showing here, regardless of how established they are in the community. Laserrobotics (talk) 22:38, September 28, 2010 (UTC)
- I'm sorry, you're pulling the "holier-than-thou" argument on me, saying I'm ignorant, while at the same time pulling your old (now useless by your own admittance) admin credentials on me? Yeah. Nice try. NOhara24 22:42, September 28, 2010 (UTC)
- Ignorance != arrogance. And what, I'm pulling the holier-than-thou argument? I'm not the one who decided how much editing he had done today was relevant at all. I was simply responding to "Come at me when you can back your shit up." Or are you going to re-edit that out and remove that revision from the history list too? On another, related note, somebody just created a page for one of the missions. It is very basic, but it might not have been there at all without my very basic mission flow. Laserrobotics (talk) 23:08, September 28, 2010 (UTC)
- I didn't remove anything from the history of the news, it's all there. All I was doing was un-doing what UCs were posting, because it was wrong. It's out for PC, and will be out for PSN any second. Troll Harder, sir. NOhara24 23:14, September 28, 2010 (UTC)
- Ok, my bad. They're in the news history, whereas I was looking at the main page history after the first time. That doesn't invalidate any of my other points. And bringing in 4chan isn't going to help this argument either. As for it's out on PC, that may be true for Steam but I do not have the Steam version, although I really wish I did. Laserrobotics (talk) 23:22, September 28, 2010 (UTC)
- I'm a bit lost as to the points you were trying to make, but deleting my unsucessful troll picture was wrong. Regardless, the edits I were making were correct, and no one on the wiki gave me crap about it but yourself. If it were multiple people, I would understand and probably try to understand where the opposition was coming from but otherwise, I didn't see your argument as anything but silly. NOhara24 23:27, September 28, 2010 (UTC)
- I have given you no crap about any of your edits save two: the one where you kept adding the deletion template to the mission flow page, instead of marking it for cleanup; the one where you ended up with a good countdown label after a slew of back and forth between "it's released"(not enough detail) and "it's released for xbox360"(better, but implies PC and ps3 won't get release today). Yes, the mission flow page content was very obviously wrong and horribly incomplete, but as a necessary page it is one that needs more content, not to be deleted and recreated. Use the right template for the right job; "someone will create it again later with better content" isn't an excuse to delete a page unless it's really not an important page. Laserrobotics (talk) 23:33, September 28, 2010 (UTC)
- Then why didn't you just switch it yourself instead of trolling my page? NOhara24 23:44, September 28, 2010 (UTC)
- Because, as you have been a member of the wiki longer than I have, I decided that removing the deletion template without asking after you already told someone else to stop removing it would be a bad idea. And stop accusing the trollee of being the troller. Calling me a troll implies that I went to you with every intent to make you mad. Every time you do that, my respect for you goes down another notch. Laserrobotics (talk) 00:43, September 29, 2010 (UTC)
Chill out, you two. I haven't read this whole mess but it looks ridiculous. Nohara, if he's adding a useful page let it be. Laser, Nohara is usually pretty on top of things, especially for being a relative newb. If he's got good reason and intent behind his actions I suggest you respect him.GT: ConceitedJarrad XBOX360 23:54, September 28, 2010 (UTC)
- About halfway through I just started trolling him but I understood what he said by time he got his last sentence in. He thought it would have been more appropriate for me to use the "cleanup" template instead of "delete" on the " DLC4 mission flow" page. NOhara24 23:58, September 28, 2010 (UTC)
- I will respect him for contributing to the wiki helpfully, but my respect for anyone is massively lessened when they start trolling, whether or not I am the target and regardless of the relevance of the issue being trolled. I will leave it at that, and hope we can coexist peacefully from now on. Laserrobotics (talk) 00:13, September 29, 2010 (UTC)
achievements
are you saying these are duplicates? or are you suggesting achievements should not have pages? Dr. F 05:22, September 30, 2010 (UTC)
They're duplicates. All of the achievements for the entire game are already listed out on their own page, I don't think each one of them requires their own page. They're all pretty self-explanatory. NOhara24 10:39, September 30, 2010 (UTC)
EDIT: I didn't realize all of the other achievements already had the own page. /Derp. I won't delete them anymore. NOhara24 10:50, September 30, 2010 (UTC)
- no problemo. Dr. F 12:09, September 30, 2010 (UTC)
I have no Reapers
How could I have been so blind? Of course, you're right! Can't imagine how I thought I had a Reaper, let alone two. The Reaper is a figment of the imagination, an illusory holy grail that only exist in the minds of deluded fools, not their inventories. (Go the meme!) Outbackyak 08:38, October 1, 2010 (UTC)
Exactly. This makes me a happy goose. NOhara24 11:00, October 1, 2010 (UTC)
To point out something
| “ | There is not a 100% chance on anything in BL. Not how the game is built.
— NOhara
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1. Go to Gearcalc (which AFAIK uses info extracted directly from game sources).
2. Look for properties of Revolver elemental accessories.
3. Be amazed.
Also i have a legit perfect reaper :3 (look on my userpage) Sinael 18:06, October 1, 2010 (UTC)
Yes, it will proc until the tech pool runs out. If you sit there firing the gun for 20 minutes straight, the tech pool will run out and it will stop proc-ing, thus lowering the proc chance every time it doesn't.
1. Learn game mechanics
2. Don't get smart on my talk page
3. Be amazed. NOhara24 15:19, October 3, 2010 (UTC)
Sinael, your Reaper isn't perfect. It has mag2 (TMP2) instead of mag3 (TMP8). I have the exact same one as you, but mine's mag3. Unfortunately for the both of us, it still isn't perfect. barrel4 and action5. If you want a perfect build, you'd go for barrel5; if you want best damage, you'd go for action4. nagy talklog 15:36, October 3, 2010 (UTC)
You do realise...
that you are creating new pages to put delete tags on, right? nagy talklog 16:36, October 4, 2010 (UTC)
- Wait, what? I saw those pages under the "newest articles" feed. They didn't have any content on them, so I just re-tagged them with the delete tag. So I'm guessing that page had already been deleted? NOhara24 16:53, October 4, 2010 (UTC)
Yes. nagy talklog 17:00, October 4, 2010 (UTC)
/fail. NOhara24 17:04, October 4, 2010 (UTC)
Added by Dr. Clayton Forrestor
lolz.GT: ConceitedJarrad XBOX360 19:38, October 4, 2010 (UTC)
UotD...
| “ | I would have thought it would have been for my comments in this thread...you all have a sick sense of humor! I lol'd nonetheless!
— NOhara24
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Then you have it too I guess (sick humor sense)... Congratz on UotD Nohara! Hope you are the happy goose now! XD
Also... Dr. F was faster than me... I would suggest UotD award for you again for that "page-delete incident... mix... misunderstanding"! Ah... you made my day! :D xD 
19:52, October 4, 2010 (UTC)
Thanks for the heads up.
But I don't think this is necessarily going to blow up in my face. I'm aware that it can. Still, though, the pages need to be redone. It's not so much an ego thing (though I do like hauling around my big brass balls in public), nor a 'I know what's best all the time and I'm going to prove it' thing, but an actual desire to make the wiki better.
As for WarBlade, he/she and I have rut heads together on more than one occasion, and though he's/she's a sysop with the linguistic and network aesthetic sense of a chimp, he's not a corrupt asshole willing to abuse his/her powers just to be right all the time. TrollofReason 03:04, October 6, 2010 (UTC)
It's not even the same thing, Nohara. Leviathan came in here saying:" You guys all suck and everything on the wiki is wrong, and I'm going to fix it right because I'm from the OFFICIAL Gearbox forums, and if you undo MY edits then it's vandalism"; then proceded to correct nothing, but rather just add mechanics to the pages. Troll is just trying to reorganize stuff for the better, and he isn't insulting anyone or displaying anywhere near the level of arrogance Leviathan did.GT: ConceitedJarrad XBOX360 03:12, October 6, 2010 (UTC)
Regardless, from what I remember of his thread, his stance was arrogant. Announcing that you're going to be radically changing a page, and then subsequently not taking any input because "you know" you're right is pretty much just slapping those who put alot of effort in trying to keep the wiki in shape. All I've seen ToR do anyway is add a bunch of fat to whatever page he edits, and ever since he showed up anyway he was causing trouble with mods and other prolific users with much more pull than he. Just saying. NOhara24 00:07, October 12, 2010 (UTC)
eh?
Whatever became of that Lance chest you said you found on the Tartarus station talk page? I've never seen one in Tartarus. GT: ConceitedJarrad XBOX360 07:38, October 6, 2010 (UTC)
Oh! I never found one. I was just questioning that there was one listed in Tartarus Station, that's all. I was wondering if I should edit that to say that it's just a red chest. That's all. NOhara24 10:33, October 6, 2010 (UTC)
recommended fix
hiya, nohara. you may have noticed that i linked your Forum:Fixed_my_auto-leveled_character. page to my Forum:Patch_1.4.1_recognizes_accumulated_experience page as a recommended fix for the auto-level problem. if you have any more details, recommendations, or simply wish to elaborate on your fix, please feel free to do so. thanks.
the frumious fry 02:59, November 11, 2010 (UTC)
Oh, I wasn't expecting that anyone would actually look at it lol. I can add to it tonight, just to add some more info, maybe screenshots if I'm feeling generous. NOhara24 20:09, November 11, 2010 (UTC)
ME DONT USE MODS
sorry for changing the itemcards,but y find in crawmerax this weapons,me hate mods,never use mods.its mi obligation to change for leran to the people the damage to ppsible arrive. sorry,but me i'm a legal player. no mods —Preceding unsigned comment added by REGITORCH2 (talk • contribs)
I owe you an apology
Making sure I'm doing this right (Still trying to figure out how to work this wiki).
Sorry about going off on you like that, it was completely wrong of me. I had no right to tell you to "get out". Who am I to say such a thing? About the CoD thing, it's just that it really pisses me off when people use that game as some sort of example to prove their point about something. I've seen it done so many times, and, to me, it seems like a bad premise in an argument.
I really hope we can put this mess behind us, and who knows. Maybe we will work together on the next awesome suggestion for this game. HanzBejinker 18:13, January 5, 2011 (UTC)
It's fine, I was just in a bit of a mood that day and really wasn't in any mood to hear crap from anyone. My respect for you has gone up immensely since most people here don't apologize after committing a wrong. And I understand how hearing the same thing can get old after awhile. Especially after hearing "Well...in CoD..." far too many times myself. I never want to go on the internet and fight, but I won't hesitate to smack a ho if I need to, as I'm sure some of the other more long-lived members here can tell you. If you've got any questions, let me know. NOhara24 23:49, January 5, 2011 (UTC)
rollback
assuming you have read up on it and understand you will lose this and have to ask again if you are absent/inactive for a month. Dr. F 13:30, January 8, 2011 (UTC)
Poo
I did not report the IP. I warned him first. If he shows up again, he can be blocked.Veggienater 22:59, January 11, 2011 (UTC)
Medical Advice
I just responded to your message on nagy's talk page under the section "told you i was a newb"... you should take the anecdotal [1] advice given there :) I am the best robot 10:19, January 12, 2011 (UTC)
Diehard
Really? how was the Three strikes, your out auto-respawn handled? I am the best robot 13:09, January 25, 2011 (UTC)
- You're.
- Since you've got the juevos to come to my talk page and question what I've seen with my own two eyes, I'll not only provide you with a link that mentions on the third time down, the respawn timer is 8 seconds. (In fact, the tester dies 6 times in a row and the bleedout counter still lasts 1 second, far from "instant".) but I'll reiterate, I've seen it done. The guy I was playing with was downed 4 times in quick sucession with nothing to reset the counter, got back up, grabbed an insta-health and continued on like nothing happened. Come at me bro. NOhara24 17:07, January 25, 2011 (UTC)
Very cool. I knew there was a hidden mechanic but (obviously) didn't have enough data. Through coincidence, my 4-6 cripples were always done quickly. I don't have the programs to be specific, but will do some preliminary tests to see if the data is still the same with the new patch (now that I know what I'm looking for). VERY good link, thanks.
P.S. You totally misunderstood me. When you put the strategy back up and said you seen it done, I immediately came to your talk page to learn more about what you seen, not to question it. I meant the "Really?" to convey atonishment, not doubt (I hate text). I am the best robot 09:27, January 26, 2011 (UTC)
- Well the questioning coupled with the bold text caused your tone to come off as a bit agressive. Forgive me for being so confrontational. But yes, Brick is very much so invincible if used in the correct capacities.
NOhara24 12:18, January 26, 2011 (UTC)
Not a problem, I am horrible at text sometimes... The bold was a habit from trying to establish definition of the hidden mechanic when I was adding strategy to the Diehard page. The strategy is going back in, but I will work on trimming the fat. Anyway, there is some interesting test data on my talk page... just some quick tests I ran. I am the best robot 08:01, January 27, 2011 (UTC)
Maybe it's because I wrote the strategy originally, but I don't see where any trimming could be done. If you have any revisions please feel free, but I really don't think anything can be cut out. NOhara24 04:50, January 28, 2011 (UTC)
I meant the strategy I wrote (the one you reverted for being fat, which was true). The only thing about your strategy is the fact that I play solo by Diehard healing in the middle of groups. You have to be cautious on which TYPE of enemy it is... some run away, but most others don't (that part is a bit presumptuous). In solo play, you only have to shoot to get any stranglers to come back since there is no other enemy (unless they are fighting amongst themselves). I wouldn't suggest it without +to Diehard com, though, for the extra time in case they run away and need to come back or are tougher enemies. If I would change anything about your strategy, it would only be that last sentence (but I would only make it fat LOL). I am the best robot 09:21, January 28, 2011 (UTC)
I mean you can if you like, but if you're going to say that it's OK to diehard-heal by yourself, you'd better explain how to do it and do it well. Details are best if a player is constantly going to be risking their life.
- Yep, I definitely will. I just need more data on cripple time (for the latest patch) before I do. I am the best robot 21:18, January 28, 2011 (UTC)
Hiya, It's been a while :) I have been involved with other projects so have not searched out a program for testing the bleed out timer. But, I wanted to get the strategy in before nagy left, so I put up the slim version. Take a gander at Diehard when you get a chance :) 
18:23, February 20, 2011 (UTC)
Accuracy
Hi. I did a rewrite of the accuracy page. Not a great one at that, so I did a second pass at it. I made sure my sentences actually make sense now, and got rid of a lot (a lot...) of typos. Any chance you could give it a read? Happypal 13:01, January 31, 2011 (UTC)
I did some reading, and it's good. Just a couple things I'm going to change when I get around to it. (I already made an edit when I wasn't logged in...whoops.) And FYI, when editing an article, it's best to not use second person pronouns. "You, Your, You're..." etc. It makes the article read badly in my opinion. Instead, say "Vault Hunter" and link it to the page itself or write the sentence in such a way that you can avoid it. NOhara24 14:12, January 31, 2011 (UTC)
Draco
I noticed you left a message here about the Massacre being actually a Draco, but even the photo on the MAIN Massacre page is a Draco...should something be done to put a real massacre there? I'm assuming that if the bug is actually fixed a Draco will have NOTHING to do with a Massacre or Machine GunClick for inventory! 
Riceygringo 17:46, February 7, 2011 (UTC)
Well technically the Draco falls within the Massacre category, it's the same gun, just with an incendiary accessory. But if it were me I would like to change it to a white damage example, just so people don't get confused. I'd like to see it changed, but it doesn't bother me either way since most people seem to know that all guns can spawn with elemental accessories. NOhara24 21:26, February 7, 2011 (UTC)
EDIT: Also, I wouldn't count on the naming glitch to be fixed anytime soon. Borderlands is a pretty old game. NOhara24 21:34, February 7, 2011 (UTC)
- Personally I don't care about the naming glitches, only things like the Vengeance and Reaper bug me way too much. I'll put a picture of another Massacre up there, it might confuse ppl because normal elemental Massacres gets a dmg reduction, the Draco's acc doesn't reduce damage. Same concept as no one would put up an unforgiven masher on the masher page, misleading everyone to think that all mashers are like 500+ x7, the photos need to show a generic exampleClick for inventory! Riceygringo 04:05, February 8, 2011 (UTC)
- Edit: I see your discussion with Nagy above with that craw pic. So has it already been proven that Specter>Sniper because Specter adds Slayer while Sniper doesnt add Deadly??Click for inventory! Riceygringo 04:19, February 8, 2011 (UTC)
- Dude idk lol. I haven't played with the Siren at all, but I know that with My bessie and a +100% crit damage sniper mod, I couldn't even touch that figure. But then again, that was 1.4.1, so maybe it's changed. NOhara24 11:41, February 8, 2011 (UTC)
outrunner
sometimes we must make allowances for the obvious. i dont mean to dumb down the wiki but the user did make a valid and succinct addition to the wiki. you may of course appeal to fry, clap, fen or the double-u b. The Evil Dr. F (Talk)14,074 Edits 08feb11
You are correct, I just feel like it's an easy way to stack edits you know? I hate that. It's a good point, I'll just make it prettier and less...useless...of an edit. Roll it in somewhere else where it makes more sense other than all by it's lonesome like it is now. "YOU CAN TAKE THE RUNNER INTO THE NEXT AREA, DERP. HAY, DID U NO THAT GUN X CAN SPAWN WITH AN ELEMENT ON IT?! IT'S CRAZY I KNOW! AND SINCE IT'S NOT ON THE WEAPON PAGE, NO 1 ELSE MUST NO, I WILL ENLIGHTEN THEM AS TO MY CORROSIVE PATTON'S GREATNESS. DURR HURR." Anyway. /Capslock. NOhara24 17:05, February 8, 2011 (UTC)
corrosive patton not possible. just sayin'. nagy talklog 17:15, February 8, 2011 (UTC)
- it's modded! oh drat, nagy beat me to it. Dr. F 17:21, February 8, 2011 (UTC)
- Hay. Hay guise. It's totally legit. I got it off craw. NOhara24 17:24, February 8, 2011 (UTC)
- So is my Anarchy Anarchy that I used to 1 shot everythingClick for inventory! Riceygringo 21:41, February 8, 2011 (UTC)
got this in the t-bone fast travel station. 4 rlz dood!
Dr. F 21:59, February 8, 2011 (UTC)
Money box lol...you could have at least used a lockerClick for inventory! Riceygringo 22:04, February 8, 2011 (UTC)
I mean every pearl I've found has been in a locker/money box...I don't know about you guys...NOhara24 23:28, February 8, 2011 (UTC)
Someone on the Orion's talk page made the comment that "Orions tend to be in wall safes.." which has always annoyed me. I don't know if he meant safe safes, or refrigerators, but not only have I never found an Orion in either, Ive never found a sniper in them, or any gun for that matter.GT: ConceitedJarrad XBOX360 23:37, February 8, 2011 (UTC)
- {Clouseau voice} Not anymore. The Evil Dr. F (Talk)14,074 Edits
I've found pistols/class mods/shields in lockers. But I've never found a rifle in a locker, I actually thought it was impossible for any "long gun" to spawn in a locker. In CNRR, aside from the crappy drops, a large number of lockers seemed to hold pistols. I think I found 3 different firehawks between 7 lockers. NOhara24 00:13, February 9, 2011 (UTC)
Added by Riceygringo- is that a scarf or moogle wings? Dr. F 14:18, February 9, 2011 (UTC)
- To be honest, it's the soul of a human who has committed a sin in their lifetime sewn (hence the stich-marks on chest) onto the body of a penguin shaped thing with moogle wings...And that's a cape...not a scarf...anyone can tell me what game they are from gets bonus points =DClick for inventory! Riceygringo 16:08, February 9, 2011 (UTC)
- club penguin. he got his legs bitten off by a seal playing "penguin pursuit."
- club penguin. he got his legs bitten off by a seal playing "penguin pursuit."
prinny is from Disgaea. ill take my points in souls please, ive got this idea for a high efficiency motor and i need a few spares for the time trials. The Evil Dr. F (Talk)14,074 Edits
nohara's op poll
05:00, February 10, 2011 (UTC)
This makes me a happy goose. NOhara24 12:04, February 10, 2011 (UTC)
I think Nagy might have you beat. You are a very close second though :P 
12:42, February 10, 2011 (UTC)
Hey, I've got 5 votes. Don't take this from me. :( NOhara24 12:45, February 10, 2011 (UTC)
he got my vote anyhow.... nagy talklog 14:56, February 10, 2011 (UTC)
Curses, out voted agian. Guess you win ;) 20:52, February 10, 2011 (UTC)
I always win. 
Hmmm...to vote or not to vote...that is the question..Click for inventory! Riceygringo 06:27, February 12, 2011 (UTC)
I would say "not to vote" since its just a government conspiracy... 12:52, February 24, 2011 (UTC)
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- Dr. F 14:49, February 10, 2011 (UTC)
THAT IS MAGICAL. Thanks Dr.
re:Maliwan Defiler
thanks for pointing this out to me, nohara. the addition of bold text sets off the accessory talk nicely from the rest of the text. however, the text itself confuses the crap out of me. the defiler gets it's effect from acc3_Maliwan_Defiler_Corrosive. okay, i get that. how it compares to the baseline corrosive accessory means why it's better than a regular gun. check. but then the text and the table go on to talk about the acc3_Maliwan_Corrosive_Plague... correct me if i'm wrong but isn't that the part from the maliwan plague shotty?? is this just an edit discrepancy? copy/paste error perhaps? be kind. remember, not a tech. 06:48, February 19, 2011 (UTC)
I didn't even write the text, I just went through and emboldened everything to make it seem easier, I believe happy wrote the text. You are correct, it does mention the shotgun accessory, I'll get rid of it. It really has no business being there anyway. 18:01, February 20, 2011 (UTC)
Mechanics
Great work on the mechanics page, you and happy. I was one of the opposers to the idea fearing that it's too much information on one page. I think it worked out nicely, especially the comparisons of accessoriesClick for inventory! Riceygringo 04:05, February 22, 2011 (UTC)
Originally, I was too. I thought it just would have been smarter to use the associated "mechanics" link, but once Happy said that he just wanted a small table with the special part vs. the normal part, I was on board. I just have to go back behind him and clean it up and simplify it, and other than that, he's really doing all the work. 15:26, February 22, 2011 (UTC)
Peace brother
Hiya NOhara :) I actually have determined endeavored to wait 5 min before responding to anything even resembleing an argument. Not saying that this is going to turn into one. I do have to ask you a question, though. I seen the wiki contributor edit the Hyperion Invader (sniper) hours ago. I determined that it was a good edit because it was correct. I cannot, in good faith, understand any desire to make any red text "what we like" instead of what it is. I am not criticizing you. Just asking you to see the facts as they are. 12:02, February 23, 2011 (UTC)
Nevermind. Happy answered you with more couth than I ever could :) 12:16, February 23, 2011 (UTC)
I thought there were exclamation marks after each "BAM". And it's more fun that way anyway 12:19, February 23, 2011 (UTC)
I actually did like it also :) 12:22, February 23, 2011 (UTC)
Check your stash, I do not have one to compare 12:24, February 23, 2011 (UTC)
I'm pretty sure that it's correct on the itemcard listed on the page. But there's no fun allowed on this wiki, Dr. F says it's not in the budget. 14:15, February 23, 2011 (UTC)
Funny thing, Nagy said that to me on my first day :p JK 14:29, February 23, 2011 (UTC)
I would submit that the only type of fun you have with rollback privileges is the type that Dr.F has (and he has a frickin EVIL good time). EDIT: I am not a authority on that though, I have no idea :) 14:46, February 23, 2011 (UTC)
Your Artifact page clarification
That was a very good edit, the page looks great. Thank you for that compression. 12:40, February 24, 2011 (UTC)
- Brofist* 15:28, February 24, 2011 (UTC)
- Brofist*
You got an OP vote for that one. 03:16, February 25, 2011 (UTC)
Wildcat page
"*: The wildcat will first "increase the spread by 1 (approx. 8.3 accuracy), before further increasing the spread by 200%."
HUH??? What does that mean?Click for inventory! Riceygringo 20:25, February 25, 2011 (UTC)
I got rid of it. I don't remember putting it there, but "spread" refers to the general "firing cone" of the gun. Layman's terms, the white icons when not looking down the gun get bigger, and then get even bigger. Those white marks indicate where bullets can fly. That area is known as the spread. 22:45, February 25, 2011 (UTC)
Yes I know what spread is lol...just the wording is very confusingClick for inventory! Riceygringo 03:16, February 26, 2011 (UTC)
Pay Back, citation needed
What's the procedure for clearing a "citation needed" tag? Ran some tests which appear to confirm the edit in question. Qv its talk page. Daemmerung 21:25, February 25, 2011 (UTC)
Just delete it like you were making an edit. 22:46, February 25, 2011 (UTC)
Re: Find Rare Items
Just had to repay you for your botched trolling attempt a while back =D...
It does work, and it's actually noticable in 4 player coop Armory runs with 4x +2 FRI... But it works while zoning, not when you open the chests, as everyone thought. The parts on guns and the number of higher rarity items went up by about 1/3 from data taken from about 15 runs for me.Click for inventory! Riceygringo 16:34, February 28, 2011 (UTC)
Do you have actual data on that? Or is it just based on feel? Because for every one study done saying it does work, there are three more saying it doesn't. 17:03, February 28, 2011 (UTC)
No, but unless I get in a few thousand tests with 3 other people willing to do the same, I won't.Click for inventory! Riceygringo 17:18, February 28, 2011 (UTC)But doc seem to agree that zoning while equipped will affect the drops, ask him?
Until there is a definitive study done saying that it DOES work in a NOTICEABLE capacity, I won't be a believer. And I don't think it's best to mislead people either way. For a fair compromise, one person wearing a +2 FRI won't do shit. 4 people wearing FRI MIGHT work, and even then it may or may not be worth writing about. 17:23, February 28, 2011 (UTC)
I really don't care lol, because wearing it won't cost me anything and wouldn't hurt whether it works or notClick for inventory! Riceygringo 06:50, March 1, 2011 (UTC)
Except your soul. People who use FRI are dead on the inside. 11:51, March 1, 2011 (UTC)
Warn Template
there is a warning template which catagoriz/ses users for monitoring. this is useful for multiple offense users and quite honestly, keeping score. uses and explanation here. DrF. pointed this out to me and several others. It may be a good idea to just warn minor vandals, not bothering a Sysop when a rollbacker can just revert it. Maybe save reports for major and/or persistent vandals. Just a thought. 
21:49, March 8, 2011 (UTC)
Thank you sir. 17:00, March 9, 2011 (UTC)
An observation
Hi NOhara, its been a while... Last time we talked I was TOTALLY thrilled with your concise revision of my content about the shapes of artifacts (in the trivia). It is both trivia and fact and cannot be disputed nor is it supposition (sometimes you are amazing). Thank you for that. You got an OP vote for that one :D
I would submit that deleting an entire entry is the same as UNDO. Not that you do not have a right to do either but that a detailed summery is preferred, in case the editor wants to know why. That is just my opinion, and I am not trying to intrude. Just thinking outside the box. Love your work, keep at it bro. 12:42, March 10, 2011 (UTC)
Are you reffering to the INAC edit? I would have undone it, but the bit I wanted to undo was also somehow connected to a valid bit of information. Thus, undoing it would have undone the paragraph as well. So I deleted it. Otherwise, I do know the benefits of a undo vs. deletion. Thanks. 12:57, March 10, 2011 (UTC)
I probably shouldn't have interfered with that since I no nothing about specs. However, it is extremely skeptical and how do we deal with subtle vandals, other than let someone else log on who knows + might see it? I'm at a loss on that one. 13:04, March 10, 2011 (UTC)
And 865 Damage Per Shot serpens is ridiculous, and blatantly fake. The UC was either posting stats of a modded gun, had a horrendous typo, or was attempting to be malevolent. But either way, the action wasn't really worth blocking over. Wait for him to act again, then the 2 minor acts of vandalism should be enough for a solild block. 13:08, March 10, 2011 (UTC)
From what I can tell, Dr.F is not on. That was a previous warning from a pagewipe caught by raz. Apparently I am the only one who downloaded rapr... :p JK It would be s'cool if you did also. add Dr. F... 13:11, March 10, 2011 (UTC)
You beat me to it. I was going to say that the user was already warned from a pagewipe from the Chiquito Amigo pagewipe, undone by Raz. Suddenly, edit conflict. But either way, I went ahead and added his prior offense to the vandalism report. I have no idea what you're taling about from your third sentence to the end of your post... 13:14, March 10, 2011 (UTC)
Look at Dr.f's talk page at his new floater. I will give you the link. You have to add drf. 13:26, March 10, 2011 (UTC)
- (The Evil Dr. F's note - compulsory)
Nvrmd. hes like a bat in the night. 13:28, March 10, 2011 (UTC)
And NO Dr.F it is not compulsory... He may add iatbr entirely instead... 13:35, March 10, 2011 (UTC)
- add somebody or the dino gets sadfaced!
Sorry, I just seen something. UNDO and delete equates to the same thing, since there is a history and they both just delete. Unless there is something I am missing. Dr.F can you expand on this? 13:40, March 10, 2011 (UTC)
Regardless, either one would prefer a detailed summary, just in case the editor would want to know why. IMO 14:11, March 10, 2011 (UTC)
- either one allows for a summary. undo just writes the first bit for you (you can add to end). Dr. F 14:15, March 10, 2011 (UTC)
- I'll get on raptr when I get home then. 14:51, March 10, 2011 (UTC)
Thanks, I THINK I seen something in the policy (long) about it might be considered rude if you did an UNDO PROOONOOUNNS without a summary. 19:24, March 10, 2011 (UTC)
Until someone tells me that they personally find it offensive that I don't leave summaries after my edits, I'll do as I please. I've read the policy. If I decide an edit of mine doesn't warrant a summary, I won't leave one. 19:39, March 10, 2011 (UTC)
- I think you should always put in a summary. I know it is a pain to do it, but I try my best to always leave a summary. Think of it as "Good Manner". On the contrary, edits without summary to be "Bad Manner". When you leave an edit without a summary, other editors see it as a sign of laziness and disregard/disrespect of others.
- That said, an undo always warrants a summary, especially if you are undo-ing the work of another known editor. I'd be pissed if you undid one of my edits, regardless of validity, with no form of explanation whatsoever.
- While I won't tell you that I take actual personal offense, maybe I'll judge you a little ;) Happypal 09:33, March 11, 2011 (UTC)
- PS: I also judge editors that do minor edits without the minor box checked... Happypal 09:33, March 11, 2011 (UTC)
Yep, like I said, I am not trying to intrude. I was just confused on why a delete instead of a UNDO. I looked to see what content you added and there was just a delete... was kinda dissapointed LOL. No biggy. 06:02, March 11, 2011 (UTC)
I think bukkithead made the best quote as far as dealing with myself, Nagy and Veg. "I find not being shit is the best method." You two make quality edits. Those edits/editors that deserve it will get a summary. Otherwise, I'm not going to leave a summary. Sorry. 12:12, March 11, 2011 (UTC)
To happy, "NINJA editor" :p --To NOhara, You have the right to do whatever you want. I actually should not have left that on your talk page, It was a side note to Dr.F and it was rude to talk to Dr.F without including you on your talk page. That being said, I had the right to do it but now have to apologise for said action. I agree on the high standard kept on this wiki, and frankly it has made me a better person. However, as I was researching, I came across guidelines such as:
"Since wikis are open to edit by anyone, users of all skill levels and opinions are welcome to participate."
And please read Deleting content. That is the only reason I brought it up in the first place and, as I said, I am not trying to intrude. You can take whatever stance you wish on the subject. I researched and found that after Dr.F proposed that I be the greeter. And I already knew INSTINCTIVELY that respect was called for.
I am trying to make unofficial policy (application) and I don't want to make a mistake, but I probably will... I would ask you to proof read it when I am done NOhara. You are the best proofer we have (I think). 14:24, March 11, 2011 (UTC)
I've read Deleting Content, and as it's been observed before that I'm not one for cleaning up someone else's drivel to make it usable. Note the "outrunner" section of my talk page. And I don't really care that you went to Dr. F about anything concerning me. although I have zero idea what you actually did concerning talking to him... If he wanted to do something about me, or found something wrong with my style, he would have come out and said it. Your quote said "...wikis are open to edit by anyone..." so if you don't agree with something I did, undo it. I don't care, although if it was something I thought was valid and you undo it without any proof, I'll probably steal your car.
I'd be glad to proofread your policy. Do you mind giving me the link so I can actually get to it? 19:29, March 11, 2011 (UTC)
I haven't looked at this section since my last post. It is mostly a misunderstanding, probably because I am not good at explaining in text. I was only referring to my rather bad sentence above: "Thanks, I THINK I seen something in the policy (long) about it might be considered rude if you did an UNDO" (with lots of pronouns and poor structure)w/o summary". I actually didn't say that to you at all, I was talking to Dr.F instead. And I shouldn't have done that on your talk page, it was rude of me. Anyway, I definitely am not attacking you. And I would not try and coerce anyone to become a liaison. That would be an individual choice. 06:54, March 12, 2011 (UTC)
liaison
Forum:Become_a_Liaison:_Guidelines_and_Policy Dr. F 20:01, March 11, 2011 (UTC)
proof read
Please directly edit, if you can improve the language. My wife was sleeping and she is my proof reader. We currently are stuck glued to news on japan. 20:32, March 11, 2011 (UTC)
Will do. 21:05, March 11, 2011 (UTC)
Thanks. It looks good, I am horrible at that stuff. LOL 22:06, March 11, 2011 (UTC)
Not a problem. I may have another pass later on should it need it. 22:53, March 12, 2011 (UTC)
Association Trivia
Please do not support association trivia! That stuff about the dice is much the same as the supposed references to various one-eyed tentacled monsters, Chargers from Left for Dead, and dozens of other things that have been removed for their coincidental lack of value. It should not have to be restated that if trivia has nothing to do with Borderlands then get rid of it. -- WarBlade 21:46, March 11, 2011 (UTC)
Is there a policy on that warblade? I am not sure of the answer to that... There is so much trivia that to start weeding through it would be a lots of time. Is there certain criteria that trivia needs to meet? 22:12, March 11, 2011 (UTC)
He's just looking to eradicate the "It looks like..." or other trivia that isn't a direct reference to something else. I can understand that, but I think "that bit about the dice" was a worthy contribution. Although he did say "If the trivia has nothing to do with borderlands, get rid of it." It's kind of hard for the game to make a reference to itself, but whatever. 22:25, March 11, 2011 (UTC)
@Robot: I don't think any ruling was documented anywhere obvious, because the association bloat became apparent and problematic very quickly. Just like when a child replaces content with F@#$%UHUH or whatever. The criteria did turn up amongst various talk pages however. Dr Clayton Forrestor has ventured quite a bit on the subject. Up until today we've just obliterated any trivia that has no link to Borderlands. This is the first time I can recall seeing someone try and defend it.
@NOhara24: How is noting a resemblance to gaming dice is "a worthy contribution"? If you can justify it then you must continue to document every resemblance ever. Starting with the Berserker Artifact. Also, your last sentence makes no sense - nobody's talking about Borderlands referencing itself. -- WarBlade 23:22, March 11, 2011 (UTC)
I have not been around for the debates. I have no idea what contitutes trivia. I dont think it hurts that particular page but It's cool if it must go. Sad though, cause I personally think it is true, being a RPG and all. 07:21, March 12, 2011 (UTC) P.S. the berserker artifact is referenced in conjunction with the other shapes as dice. Its a collective reference of all the shapes. Just a afterthought. 09:19, March 12, 2011 (UTC)
@ Warblade. "If the trivia has nothing to do with borderlands, get rid of it. " My sentence makes perfect sense considering alot of the trivia in itself has absolutely nothing to do with borderlands. (The aries flavor text?) In your eyes then, 100% of the trivia must be purged from the wiki, as the game can't reference itself. And instead of talking down to me on my talk page, why don't you just undo my edit like every other editor on the wiki instead of getting on your high horse? 21:22, March 12, 2011 (UTC)
- (The Evil Dr. F's note - there is a bounty board mission to eliminate unlinked trivia (linking to other articles in this wiki is not required). i think the D&D dice reference is valid for what its worth but warblade holds sway over trivia.)
- @NOhara24: To clarify, your statement, "It's kind of hard for the game to make a reference to itself" makes no sense to me, because NOBODY is talking about Borderlands referencing itself. Nor does the suggestion that my view is that 100% of the trivia must be purged. Mad Max-related trivia for example has a number of relevant citable connections. As for talking down to you on your talk page, I'm only giving you the "You broke it, you fix it," response. I've already fixed it once myself, and it would be bad form to flood that article (or it's talk) with more reverts over disputed content. -- WarBlade 22:24, March 12, 2011 (UTC)
- I'm not going to bother explaining it to you anymore, as my patience is running thin. The fact that the artifacts share their shapes with traditional tabletop RPGs is worth noting, in my eyes. It's not in yours, that's fine.
- As for the "You broke it, you fix it." response, that's a stance you take with a four year old after they spill their orange juice. Not a 20 year old college student with 1200+ valid, constructive, and at the very least good-natured edits because you don't like something he posted. And considering I don't see anything wrong with it, it's a bit hard for me to fix something that I don't see as wrong. Don't fix it if it ain't broke. If you want it fixed, use the "undo" button. Last I checked, all editors have one. Don't think you can order me around because you're a sysop. 22:37, March 12, 2011 (UTC)
- (The Evil Dr. F's note - mama just reset the drama meter. dont make her leave her shows and go down to the basement and turn it up a notch.)
I am the original author of this trivia. Everyone play nice. The wiki is bigger than a piece of trivia. There is no need to get into it over my observation. 22:48, March 12, 2011 (UTC)\
So long as Warblade fixes whatever he wants fixed himself, Dr.F can continue to watch his soap operas, and I'll go on my merry way. 22:55, March 12, 2011 (UTC)
Its all about respect. We put the ball in warblades court. He can remove it if he feels he should. 23:01, March 12, 2011 (UTC)
^+1 23:03, March 12, 2011 (UTC)
My two cents: I think it's a valid reference. If all artifacts were shaped like a pyramid; let's say; then no, it would not be noteworthy. But since the artifacts are all shaped like a different sided die, and Borderlands frequently references other RPGs and elements of them, it's pretty clear that it was an intentional nod to D+D and other board/die based RPGs. Warbalde often takes random positions against things for reasons that are not clear to most other people. Good luck trying to make any kind of case to him at all.
01:18, March 13, 2011 (UTC)
Its actually case closed. He has my blessing. It is his choice now.
I understand your point of view, but I am deferring to warblade. 01:25, March 13, 2011 (UTC)
01:32, March 13, 2011 (UTC)
Yes, you are right. I have not been around for all the previous battles I can imagine have been fought. Unless some programmer stated somewhere that they put RPG references in the game that has to do with dice, it has no bearing on a main page. I will look around. BUT I SAY THIS. If we keep argueing and do not respect each others point of view, I will remove it. Its just a piece of trivia and I, for one, am not that impressed as to have any hard feelings or dished up comments over an observation I have made. If we are all cool, then warblade will probably remove it because he knows I respect his point of view. If not, I will take it away myself. GEEZ LOL 01:43, March 13, 2011 (UTC)
Multiple people here agree that it's a valid submission. The issue didn't stem from the trivia, moreso the attitude Warblade took with me on my talk page. I'd like to see the trivia stay as well. 05:23, March 13, 2011 (UTC)
Nagy woulda said...
Nagy woulda said "make that man an admin". check out 178.183.231.141's contributions. 10:56, March 14, 2011 (UTC)
/facepalm. That is why I could never be a liaision. 11:06, March 14, 2011 (UTC)
And it is my belief that not everyone should. we need peeps like you :p 11:52, March 14, 2011 (UTC)
P.S. I hate political correctness
Hey did you download raptr? 12:04, March 14, 2011 (UTC)
Nah I haven't gotten around to it. I suspect we're in very different time zones. At the time of this post, it's 8:07 AM. I won't be on my personal computer until about 4 PM my time. 12:09, March 14, 2011 (UTC)
My pc says 8:14am hmm... not sure its a time zone problem 12:12, March 14, 2011 (UTC)
Well it's clear that you're in the EST then. But either way, I won't be on my personal PC until about 4 PM our time. 12:15, March 14, 2011 (UTC)
Just messin with you. EDIT:MY HUMOR IS NOT INTERNET FRIENDLY. I work a late 2nd that bleeds into 3rd and sleep on 1st. EST ohio. 12:19, March 14, 2011 (UTC)
SIDE-NOTE: hey, thanks for the correction on my greeter box. I fixed it (I think). Please just tell me if something is afoot. I thought "what the hell?" and figured Dr.F fixed something LOL. I respect your grammar immensely (not to strong on that one) and let me know anything about my grammar. (Opps edit war with veg) 19:50, March 14, 2011 (UTC)
New wiki policy
You may still undo any post that is wholely inaccurate or does not pertain to the artical. The policy/Best Robot/Wiki is only asking you to go to the contributors talk page and politely explain the reason for the Undo so as not to put them off. If the addition is valid, you should try to keep the info but reword or move if required. 19:41, March 14, 2011 (UTC)
Yes agreed. However, it is unofficial policy and not forced on anyone. It is my belief that not everyone should be a liaison. We also need those that are blunt. just saying... 19:53, March 14, 2011 (UTC)
Yes. There is nothing wrong with being blunt or to the point during a discution on a talk page or forum. My feeling has always been, if someone is trying to contribute, to read what they have posted and see what they are trying to say. If it is a valid point, keep it. Reword or move if required, but be polite if you must remove the content. If they come back and are rude back to you, then alls fair! 20:04, March 14, 2011 (UTC)
---Yes, I totally agree with that. It is part of official wiki guidelines (except the talk page bit). However, NOhara does burst clean up and I would understand his not going to a contributors talk page. That is up to us to do, as a liaison between the contributor and NOhara.
What I would ask NOhara to do is to make our job easier and make a comment if deleting all or the majority of a contribution (something like DERP would work). Or just use Undo so we can see it.
---NOhara has the right not to follow official guidelines (although official policy is different), no matter what the community feels about it. If we want to take the time to look deeper into something NOhara deletes then that is a voluntary action on our part.
Again, I would ask NOhara to respect us enough to give a heads up when he is deleting most or all of a contribution.
---Other than that most of NOhara's work is minor changing, rearranging, linking, fixing and clarifying (just from what I have seen) and it is extremely important work.
Just let us know, if you would NOhara, when you are taking out larger portions. We can't follow you with every edit you make, to see if we can do a revamp of bad grammar.
It is just a request and I ask you to consider it. 09:31, March 15, 2011 (UTC)
Your request is a valid one, I shall start using DERP as my summaries when undoing an edit, simply because it's hilarious. Most times I do undo an edit, unless I have to pick and choose what stays and what doesn't. And I feel as though the "wiggle room" I've been given should also extend to the rollbackers. (Myself, Veg and Nagy when he returns.) It's only fair.
I used to go to a contributor's talk page and tell them what was wrong with their edit, but I stopped over time because they would simply never respond or just get nasty with me. I'll start trying again though for the sake of making the liaision's jobs easier. 13:14, March 15, 2011 (UTC)
Thank you. This policy/diplomacy crap is making me crazy! I know instinctively whats going on but its really hard to put it into words sometimes. Thanks for understanding my derps. 18:58, March 15, 2011 (UTC)
@ Best Robot, You made the policy up yourself. Just dont forget your strait jacket :P 19:52, March 15, 2011 (UTC)
@ NoHara, When doing a warning there is no need for <---> in the code. just put{{warn|offence|page name}}.Unless you were trying to just make it be general, then all you have to do {{warn|page name}}. 19:52, March 15, 2011 (UTC)
Duly noted. 10:50, March 16, 2011 (UTC)
The Elements page
Could you or another rollbacker take a look at the recent edits made by a UC on the Elements page? I don't particularly care for what they did, basically just rewording things and sort of took some of the artfulness away from it. Also some of the language is just wrong. 16:35, March 16, 2011 (UTC)
Will do. 16:45, March 16, 2011 (UTC)
Yeah I took a look. It looked like he tried to do what's normally considered "my" job around here. Just make things pretty and sound better...but he really did the opposite. I'm just gonna undo it back to Nagy's last edit and let the best robot know about this user. He can handle him from there, not that what he did was bad, but he just made the article sound less intelligent. 16:51, March 16, 2011 (UTC)
That's basically how I felt about it, too. Ok, good lookin' out. 19:13, March 16, 2011 (UTC)
Thanks for the heads up. You are becomming a liaison to yourself :p Nice move. It's as if you talked to Dr.F and he said "let the bot handle it, Im busy" LOL. It was a good faith edit, and a few elements "no pun" should be kept. 19:20, March 16, 2011 (UTC)
Ok, there is something weird that happened. Some parts of the page was not taken back to Nagy's version. I was attemping to incorporate the "keepers" and I noticed that. I instead edited Nagy's version and incorporated them there. You can now look at the "keepers" without all the baggage with it. 11:37, March 17, 2011 (UTC)
Most notably, the addition of:
"The initial burst can hit other enemies near the primary target, setting them on fire as well."
And the "immediately and to adjacent targets" changed to "immediately to the target and nearby enemies"
it is good work and, in the second case, more conceptual. 11:47, March 17, 2011 (UTC)
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Noted, I have now fixed that. It was a bit wordy so I thought that that was why it was on the clean-up list. If you have any other suggestions I would be more than willing to listen. Lionmaster15 18:08, March 16, 2011 (UTC)
No, my last edit was the one that had fixed it. I left the cleanup tag on the page to be removed at the discretion of a Sysop. Your edits cut out a lot of information and details that I had put there on purpose. I'm going to go ahead and put it back to my last edit. 18:14, March 16, 2011 (UTC)
Re: Oh brother where art thou...
To be honest with You my dear NOhara, I never even left in the first place. I played quiet and kept my profile low; lurking in the shadows of the Wikia's... @_@
But I'm back now, and I see you're all grown up now! You even got your own nice signature! ..aww, they grow up so fast! ;) 20:14, March 16, 2011 (UTC)
Yeah...as much as I want to say that I am "all grown up". I asked Dr. F to make a sig for me and after that, everyone got one. A lot has changed since you took your hiatus.
We have liaisions now and we're supposed to be friendlier to noobs. Nagy is on a hiatus of his own due to military stuff. So i'm doing my best to be the substitute nagy for the minute.
We've got a few new people of note. Happypal has started a new project for the mechanics on special weapons. It's actually turning out really well. Razldazlchick and I am the best robot have become something of greeters due to a rather big episode between Dr.F and the wikia staff, resulting in a new unofficial policy. Hopefully this won't scare you off, the old guard have to stick together. 20:40, March 16, 2011 (UTC)
Rollbacker userbox
I was going to tell you to copy it if you wanted. 20:53, March 16, 2011 (UTC)
Well everything tastes better stolen anyway... It's not weird that I can taste userboxes right... 14:14, March 17, 2011 (UTC)
It only wierd if they start leaving an after taste... I have no idea what that means -- 03:26, March 19, 2011 (UTC)
dotfivezero
Hi NOhara! Would you kindly use your lovely rollbacker privileges on the Claptrap's_New_Robot_Revolutions page, since i do not have the ability to do so? tankyu. :) 
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I got it, you can edit a previous version raz, its a poor mans Undo (per happypal). 18:12, March 17, 2011 (UTC)
Yeah, but if I rollback it it's gone from the history as a whole. 20:10, March 17, 2011 (UTC)
Irrelevant question...
What happened to AtlasSoldier, I see his userpage was deleted, I wonder... perma ban?? xD 19:09, March 17, 2011 (UTC) I'll remove this post after I get the answer, as it is so absurd and irrelevant...
- qv User_talk:AtlasSoldier and Special:Contributions/AtlasSoldier. draw yer own conclusions. Daemmerung 19:32, March 17, 2011 (UTC)
- OR...I can tell you the actual story. He was the one who incited a 4chan raid on the wiki. People got sick of him, he got sick of us. He incited a raid, we were hit HARD. And then he incurred the wrath of the b&hammer. 20:08, March 17, 2011 (UTC)
SSCC
would you like to take charge of the sscc? Dr. F 20:22, March 17, 2011 (UTC)
I feel...
.. as though we got off on the wrong start. lets be bestestest fwendz forevar
- :3 20:59, March 17, 2011 (UTC)
- Lol. You were always good with me, you and iatbr are doing important work. Brofist. 21:06, March 17, 2011 (UTC)
SSCC
Thanks, but i prefer checking up on edits and fixing things as i see them. I dont do as well going out and looking for things to fix as i do double checking others work. Feel free to ask me to double check any of your minions while your not here though. 21:31, March 17, 2011 (UTC)
Alright. I'll note you down as substitute Raylan Givens should I take a hiatus. OR maybe you'd be interested in being my equal? 23:34, March 17, 2011 (UTC)
- Subing for you would be fine ;) 23:36, March 17, 2011 (UTC)
- Alright. You'll be an official member of the team, just not expected to go out and search like we are. Although, our targets are already painted with a cleanup tag. So either way, it's up to you. I won't give you assignments like I will the others though. I'll bring you on as a substitute deputy, sign the roster at your leisure. 23:40, March 17, 2011 (UTC)
Is it a coincidence? I just started today attempting to clean up the Eridian Weapons page, that page is a mess and I made some changes today...Click for inventory! Riceygringo 21:43, March 17, 2011 (UTC)proud to be a janitor for the wiki
We're not janitors. We are an elite team, and I'd be happy to have you on, Ricey. I'll bring you on as the rank "Hamburger". Sign the roster at your leisure. 23:40, March 17, 2011 (UTC)
oops
Just saw your messages, sorry, was studying =DClick for inventory! Riceygringo 02:00, March 19, 2011 (UTC)
Not a problem. Another time. 02:03, March 19, 2011 (UTC)
Direct 2 Drive
Hey, just noticed that you added the discount thing. If I buy the DLCs from Direct 2 Drive, do you know if they would work with my Steam version of Borderlands?Click for inventory! Riceygringo 04:29, March 19, 2011 (UTC)
I'm not sure actually. Google? 04:30, March 19, 2011 (UTC)
lol...if you go to the Moxxi DLC page it says it requires Direct 2 Drive version of Arma II: Operation Arrowhead to play, pretty sure that it is supposed to be BorderlandsClick for inventory! Riceygringo 04:33, March 19, 2011 (UTC)
- im pretty sure it would not work. keys from gbx/2k will work on steam but d2d and steam validate their own keys. if your game you could try it. not 100% sure. Dr. F 04:40, March 19, 2011 (UTC)
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Yes, absolutely. I'll get to it when I've got some extra time. I'm busy today. Should be done by afternoon tomorrow. 18:33, March 20, 2011 (UTC)
item 1 shows style. i like that. Dr. F 22:35, March 20, 2011 (UTC)
Eridian Weapons
You are stealing work from the cheeseburger =D. Now we don't want that do we?Click for inventory! Riceygringo 20:10, March 21, 2011 (UTC)you need to clean up your chat page, 53 posts is looooong
My chat page is like a long, luxurious beard. You do not trim it, or throw it over your shoulder. You let it hang and run your fingers through it while talking to your woman in a seductive voice. On a more serious note, yeah I did get a lot done today. There's still plenty of work left for the cheeseburger though. Just look at Category: Cleanup, if you're looking to get promoted to Bacon Cheeseburger. 00:17, March 22, 2011 (UTC)
chat clients?
do you use any chat clients? steam, xfire, etc? what other 3dplc's have you installed? (see Forum:Muster:_3PDLC if you like.) in the meantime, i will be on pandora tonite if you are down for a game. the nest and / or the 5th column both come highly recommended for pick-up-and-play games with big pay-offs. 03:52, March 22, 2011 (UTC)
I'm on Raptr and Steam, ID is same as wiki name here. As far as 3PDLC's, I've got the fifth column, the crows nest, TAB and the scrap hole. I won't be on tonight though, I've got plans with friends. I MIGHT be on at another point during the week, if only for a bit. This user has class Wednesday, Thursday and Friday. So I'll be on this weekend at the latest. 11:08, March 22, 2011 (UTC)
Raptr
Tag, your it 11:24, March 22, 2011 (UTC)
This user is horribly confused. But when he is online, his ID is NOhara24. Does anyone else besides yourself, Dr. F and myself have raptr? 11:42, March 22, 2011 (UTC)
Honestly, I am not sure. drf said we need everyone else on... I have been on freenode almost every time I am on wiki (going to make a ubx to that effect) my raptr tag is iatbr (of course). As raz said, we need a way to communicate off talk pages. And, as you know, it is efficient. 11:47, March 22, 2011 (UTC)
If everyone would get on raptr, that would be nice. That way I wouldn't have to have the IRC client open when I'm just idle on my PC. 11:50, March 22, 2011 (UTC)
Anything can be better than talk pages. They work decent enough but raz is right. 11:57, March 22, 2011 (UTC)
Edit wars
STOP BEING A DICKHEAD AND CHANGING WHAT I WRITE ON THE FUCKING REPAIR KIT SECTION —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.24.43.98 (talk • contribs)
- This ^^^ is why we can't have nice things. Anon, anything you write can and will be changed at some point. That's how wikis work. NOhara24 has told you why he's changing your entries. Either improve your writing or else deal with it. Daemmerung 18:23, March 24, 2011 (UTC)
- lol he mad. Check his talk page. 18:48, March 24, 2011 (UTC)
- lol he mad. Check his talk page.
Haha, why did you put the image under trollololol?--Talk to prinny! 
Riceygringo 21:12, March 24, 2011 (UTC)
Because this user is a troll lol. 21:56, March 24, 2011 (UTC)
Actually, from what I can tell of the edits, its a Over-The-Top frustrated good faith editor that couldn't get a word in edgewise on the wiki. Language aside, having a point to make and not being able to make it can be frustrating. I have informed him/her of the poor choice in attitude though.
I will test the locations of the repair kits, as I never seen them able to be picked up.
If they actually can be, then the locations of these "non-repair" kits are trivia(l) and should be included.
It would be repair kit trivia referring to repair kits themselves :D (sry couldn't resist LOL).
P.S. can you give me a link to the troll thing? I need to see if I am on it :o 06:16, March 25, 2011 (UTC)
- To be perfectly honest, I don't understand why his edits were undone. The first one had the word "you" in to, so fine, but the second and third used "full sentences and correct grammar". Seriously, what was so wrong with the edit that justified an un-summarized undo? I'd be pissed too. I wouldn't all-caps call you a dick-head, but I'd definitely be thinking it. I think we lost a good faith editor on this one. And all this over a trivia edit. This is exactly the kind of situation I was talking about in Forum:A question for the community, Inviting new users?. While I'm sure you'd disagree about the quality of his edits, lets at least be diplomatic about a good faith undo. happypal (talk • contribs • inventory) 08:09, March 25, 2011 (UTC)
@ Happy: To a point, I agree. We actually have to assume that the editor did not know how to deal with edits being undone except by editing again. The UC didn't contact NOhara until I gave a link to the talk page. We have to assume that the UC doesn't follow recent activity or knew NOhara's sig contained a link. NOhara doesn't have to explain why what and how he chose to undo. NOhara has been doing this a long time, and the Wiki is better off for it, in the long run. I am thankful that NOhara at least alerts me to the problem and that I can advocate for everyone.
One thing that you should notice, There was never a time when the UC tried to contact me about the problem or even contact NOhara about the problem. There was only jumping on NOhara's talk page and cussing. I cannot for sure say that we lost anything, given the opportunity to work it out and choosing not to. However, only time will tell what will happen and yes, I agree that NOhara was a bit defensive about the page. I also see his point of view, to a degree. NOhara was also going crazy about what to keep and how to keep it, very quickly and repeatedly.
@ NOhara: one thing I would suggest is to let them go for a while. Don't drive yourself crazy in an edit war. If they keep editing, you can always edit a previous version later and let me know about it (please). I think your versions of things are largely the best (language wise) and I always take that into account, however, you can let them have their say and either edit the final version or edit a previous one (alert me if you do the previous please). The Wiki will be there an hour later. Just relax if the UC is adamant. It is simple to edit a previous version and no nerves will get fried on anyone :) 08:55, March 25, 2011 (UTC)
- "NOhara doesn't have to explain why what and how he chose to undo"??? Under what pretense does NOhara have this right? In that case, UC doesn't really have to justify why what and how he decided to undo NOhara. I'm not arguing that NOhara hasn't done a lot for the wiki, but a wiki is a community. Being one of the main contributors doesn't put you above the common courtesy of explaining why you are undo-ing someone else's work.
- All this did escalate into an edit war where UC reacted in a less-than-appropriate manner. I'm just saying it wouldn't have come to this if NOhara had acted in a more constructive fashion to begin with. It's not proper conduct for someone of his rank. Surely if NOhara had time to revert UC's work 3 times, warn UC about his conduct, and then bring the matter to you, then he had time to just help UC with his edit, and thank him for his initial contribution.
- Honestly, the wiki's reaction was not unlike bullying. happypal (talk • contribs • inventory) 09:21, March 25, 2011 (UTC)
The pretense is only under anything actually official. No one has to justify anything. And being under a main contributor not only doesn't give you any special privileges above any random UC, it actually holds you to a higher standard. Even more so, as a rollbacker. But the same "not justifying" applies. It can, however, if taken to a degree, make anything earned be revoked. I don't think this is that case though. While Nohara was a bit defensive of the page, given the circumstances, he should be given a bit more leeway than bullying. Nohara is human as well as the UC who may have had reason to cuss. NOhara never got nasty, even after that. We have to move beyond these points into a better future of understanding. Hopefully, we can work with the UC again, toward that goal. Either way, no matter what, we can only choose to improve ourselves individually and learn from all this (I need to be a better liaison, for one). 10:34, March 25, 2011 (UTC)
Damn, errybody getting mad. I guess it's up to me to end it then. I undid his edits because they were poorly written, and contained superficial information. Everybody knows that repair kits are all over Pandora, simply for decoration. This is not worth noting in the wiki. The second time he edited the page (Read: Undid my undo to Warblade's last edit back to his...), instead of undoing it, I made his edit into usable material, AND went to IATBR. Per the everyone-should-be-friends-treaty-of-2011/liasion policy. AND STILL, the UC decided that it wasn't good enough. So the UC undid MY LAST EDIT THAT INCORPORATED HIS INFORMATION PERFECTLY, back to his poorly written drivel complete with run-on sentences. At this point I was convinced he was a troll, a child, or some strange combination of the two. I undid it to my last edit, and then left it be. I did everything that is asked on the UNOFFICIAL liaision policy to no avail. Some UC's are just hard headed, end of story.
I don't consider myself above wiki manners, but in my experiece, a UC will edit a page with something terrible, I'll undo it, and they'll never come back to the wiki or won't notice it. Thus, in most cases it's simply not worth it to go out of my way to explain why I undid an edit, because they simply won't get the message. And even if/when I do, everyone knows they don't read the summaries. Like I said, I did everything I was supposed to. As far as I'm concerned, calling IATBR on the matter was above-and-beyond the call of duty of an editor/community member anyway. I'm not going to admit fault in the matter, as I would be taking blame for something that wasn't of my doing. This issue wouldn't have happened if the UC hadn't come to my talk page and self-destructed what little credibility he had.
- Happy Friday to all of you. 11:16, March 25, 2011 (UTC)
The UC's contribution was so badly written that it made my teeth itch, and contained no substantive content. Why bend over backwards to accommodate what appears to be an adolescent ragebot? I'd have blocked him after profanity on a talk page, but I'm just an intolerant asshole like that. Daemmerung 16:06, March 25, 2011 (UTC)
I said pretty much the same thing on Robot's talk. This Liaison program does not mean we have to pussify the veracity of the wiki and go out of our way to make idiots feel comfortable. I mean think about it. the point of the whole thing is to encourage people who might possibly have something of value to contribute to stick around. I think this UC has shown us exactly what he is capable of. Dispense with the pleasantries and report him if he changes it back after Ricey's last revision. 16:09, March 25, 2011 (UTC)
- His edits are no where near vandalism but falls under "unconstructive". He's just basically making the wording longer. I just undid his latest edit. --Talk to prinny! Riceygringo 16:28, March 25, 2011 (UTC)ARE YOU GETTING MAD AT A ?
As far as I'm concerned, when you've been warned and corrected several times by several members of the community to cease and desist, and you continue with your non-constructive edits anyway, it is vandalism or might as well be. 16:41, March 25, 2011 (UTC)
- DittoTalk to prinny! Riceygringo 16:44, March 25, 2011 (UTC)
- I'm glad to know all of you are on my side. And I KNEW I wasn't the only person on the wiki whose teeth itched when he saw bad grammar. But yes, I'll wait and see if he undoes ricey's undo of his edit, then apply fire as necessary. For the record, I'm still very much in favor of the Liaision program, it was only a matter of time until they found a bad apple. 17:40, March 25, 2011 (UTC)
We need to raise Zaph's level of drama LOL. And I am on everyone's side. The liaison policy is to give everyone the right do do what they want. There is a point where reason is thrown out the door (by the UC in this case). I have drawn the line in the sand and gave one last firm direction of reason. After that, he is all yours boys :D 18:16, March 25, 2011 (UTC)
Let me clarify that I think the Liaison program is a great idea, and it's being executed perfectly. I just don't want people to feel like there's no longer any time to pull out the big guns when someone is just refusing to cooperate with our well-established community. 21:42, March 25, 2011 (UTC)
I'm willing to bet we've scared him off by now. Just look out for user-page vandalism. It's all good though. I wonder what Nagy's input would have been... 22:02, March 25, 2011 (UTC)
Sorry all, just seen this talk page since my last edit. Thanks CJ. Although, I think the last message I left did pull out the big guns. Anyone can jump in at any point (on a UC's talk page) but I will not greet someone and leave it "undone" for someone else to clean up. So I mopped the floor. I bet he is scared of actual dialog since he is NOT scared of being reverted again and again and again... LOL 09:20, March 30, 2011 (UTC)
grammar rock
The accuracy of Gamble rifles is not improved by weapon accuracy bonuses.
My fear of circus clowns is perfectly justified.
The vulture-like length of your fingernails is not an acceptable topic of conversation at lunchtime. Daemmerung 15:52, March 29, 2011 (UTC)
BUT THE SENTENCE JUST SOUNDS SO BAD AS IT IS. ...I'll fix it once and for all dammit. 10:56, March 30, 2011 (UTC)
bleeder
did you by chance remember to put those bleeder pictures up on the talk page (or the OP's page) so that they are not orphaned? Dr. F 11:57, March 30, 2011 (UTC)
...I'm pretty sure I just orphaned those poor innocent pictures. 12:26, March 30, 2011 (UTC)
EDIT: Put them in the OP's talk page. Not like he'll be coming around again any time soon. 12:32, March 30, 2011 (UTC)
lil orphaned bleeders. proceeding unsigned post was made by iatbr, due to the fact that he should be in bed
OK... NOhara, I have continually seen you talk about how people look at this Wiki for information and that the language should be up to par. I agree with that. And I would point out that "he" may come around just to check a quest. If you can re-edit your remark to be conceptual, doesn't have to be nice, just let him know what the hell is going on. I would not want to get a message that i did not understand.
It is easy to fix it, however, I cannot edit it directly. Can you? Just leave explanation please. "The page has been updated. Thank you for your input." Would suffice. His past effort deserves that much. 13:03, March 30, 2011 (UTC)
archive
My talk page...has been archived. This does not make me a happy goose >:( 15:06, March 30, 2011 (UTC)
- you can move it back. just thought id give you subtle hint. The Evil Dr. F (Talk)14,074 Edits
i has pizza. you be happy now? :3 15:52, March 30, 2011 (UTC) gooses like pizza, right?
This user is a pizza enthusiast... 16:05, March 30, 2011 (UTC)
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Also, I have butter cookies. Daemmerung 16:16, March 30, 2011 (UTC)
Those are clearly panties. And fish. Panties & fish = Pizza. Nothing makes sense anymore. my world is collapsing 17:00, March 30, 2011 (UTC)
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How is this.-- 00:18, April 1, 2011 (UTC)
- Edit- added second choice. #2 has a link to your talk page that you wont see unless it is posted on a page other than your talk page(here).
PERFECT. 00:27, April 1, 2011 (UTC)
As im sure you know, all you have to do is copy/paste either box were ever you wish, making sure to put the {{clr}} tag after it to avoid spacing issues. 06:26, April 2, 2011 (UTC)
I know. I just haven't been on my Mac/had time to add them in. I really do like the boxes veggie, don't worry. 19:10, April 2, 2011 (UTC)
Was not worried, just informing you cause the boxes on your profile page didnt have the clear tag making the spacing off. 20:05, April 2, 2011 (UTC)
This user enjoys the chaos that the lack of clr tag provides. 00:53, April 3, 2011 (UTC)
- as long as you know i guess. Enjoy :P 01:35, April 3, 2011 (UTC)
Heres a new one you may want to add to your userpage. 05:25, April 10, 2011 (UTC)
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Thanks, I would've added more but I don't remember exactly how they went. When I hear them again I'll have to put them up. Avarice Ink 10:50, April 4, 2011 (UTC)
SSCC re: Tomato pic
Did you remember to catagorize that pic? :P 23:05, April 4, 2011 (UTC)
re: Terrain Glitch against Knoxx
Both. While I do have good enough gear at this point to survive against General Knoxx in a fair fight, I find it easier to just run to "safe" corner and pick him off. I then use the glitch to get into the armory without the time limit. -- 
Airos ( Talk Contribs Email ) 18:39, April 7, 2011 (UTC)
You know, I just looked on YouTube and it doesn't look like there is a video of the terrain glitch. I can't seem to find the thread on the gearbox forums where I learned about it, either.
Added by Airos Airos ( Talk Contribs Email ) 19:33, April 7, 2011 (UTC)
- Just figured out why I couldn't find a thread on the gearbox forums; I learned about it here. It's on the talk page for General Knoxx under "A "Glitch" Spot". -- Airos ( Talk Contribs Email ) 19:38, April 7, 2011 (UTC)
No problem. I had a hell of a time facing him once I hit playthrough 2.5. That glitch saved the life of my controller, my monitor and possibly my PS3. -- Airos ( Talk Contribs Email ) 06:31, April 8, 2011 (UTC)
A different type
Your efforts have not gone unnoticed. You pick and choose who you like and greet them. You even ask UC's to join. Here is a tool for when you choose to use it. It holds no obligation. Use it when you see fit, how you see fit.
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You can, of course, customize it. Keep in mind that a personal message works best with it. 08:20, April 10, 2011 (UTC)
I like this! Thanks robot. Good to see you back around. 23:15, April 11, 2011 (UTC)
I added a new userbox under the userbox section of your talk for you to look at. just in case you missed it. 23:27, April 11, 2011 (UTC)
So...many...userboxes. 23:28, April 11, 2011 (UTC) Did you know over exposure to userboxes can cause cancer?
I hope so. who wants to live forever anyway :P -- 23:30, April 11, 2011 (UTC)
I can't seem to customize that ubx that robot gave me... 23:36, April 11, 2011 (UTC)
Raptr
I am only on XBox live. As for the liason box go here you have to remove eveything before and after the box to edit and preveiw then put everything back after I dont know why, ask Robot. 00:04, April 12, 2011 (UTC)
- curiosity = what is your xboxlive name?
Veggie's xblgt= veggienater ♥ ☮✰Razldazlchick ♥ ☮✰ 01:05, April 12, 2011 (UTC)
Veg is right, in a sense. You have to remove everything before and after the userbox to preview it. It actually does change but the cache has to catch up before the changes show up on the template page. It changes across the wiki no matter what though. (why do I always encounter the weird shit?) Anyway, make sure you put everything back before and after the userbox on the template page before you publish. 06:40, April 12, 2011 (UTC)
SSCC
nice box. Dr. F 00:37, April 12, 2011 (UTC)
Thanks. :P 21:06, April 15, 2011 (UTC)
Template: This user is now pissed
About the poll.... Strogens go first, my dear! :p ♥ ☮✰Razldazlchick ♥ ☮✰ 00:59, April 12, 2011 (UTC)
Your D&U edits
They help. A lot. I'd be thrilled if you had more to say about other weapons. It really adds to the wiki, and it takes a huge load off my back regarding my mechanics project. happypal (talk • contribs • inventory) 12:56, April 14, 2011 (UTC)
I'll get to it then. It's a bit hard for me to write some of them, as there are a FEW weapons that I haven't used, but most times I can figure out a gun's traits by looking at the manufacturer and general #s on the item card. 15:40, April 14, 2011 (UTC)
I am almost positive the Firehawk is not a machine pistol, only a repeater, making your description factually incorrect. Machine pistols require body 5 which, the firehawk can never have. This message brought to you by your friendly local SSCC member. :P 20:21, April 14, 2011 (UTC)
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The firehawk is capable of fully automatic fire, so while the BORDERLANDS definition may differ, I was correct on the real world definition. :P 22:09, April 14, 2011 (UTC)
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Check the anarchy page. I changed the section heading from strategy to U&D. 10:20, April 15, 2011 (UTC)
It's been taken care of. Required a rewrite, but it's all good. 12:06, April 15, 2011 (UTC)
I merged my opinion in with yours. I actually have no problems on crits and use it for mid range as well. The closer the better is right though. 13:25, April 15, 2011 (UTC)
I was deliberately trying not to be specific on the Tsunami page. I didnt want it to sound as if only shock and corrosive lance would be immune to the Tsunami. Any shock or corrosive resistant enemy will withstand the effects of its attack. I was going to reword the regular lance part to include any shielded or armored enemies but i ran out of time and had to go out before i could edit. Your descriptions are well written but opinion and anything that specific should be avoided on artical pages, Yes? I am not trying to offend you but perhaps a reword is in order. 03:18, April 16, 2011 (UTC)
- Tsunami is an incredibly bad weapon-> small tech pool (rarely procs more than 3 shots when firing full auto), and the russian roulette styled randomness of each proc is frustrating. On top of that you got the decreased projectile speed. Why didn't anyone mention this =DTalk to prinny! Riceygringo 16:20, April 16, 2011 (UTC)
- No worse than any other elemental SMG IMO. Comes with the territory. Ain't so much about the proc rate as the combined vulnerability targeting. Decreased projectile speed isn't an issue at the weapon's appropriate range. (Though that's a pity, as the biggest shielded-yet-corrosive-vulnerable target I know are turrets, which I always snipe from range.) Hell of a weapon for a Mercenary. says the man whose Siren is currently spec'd for melee Daemmerung 20:12, April 16, 2011 (UTC)
- If you all are disagreeing with me, change it. Not like I can actually do anything but re-edit it. It's not like I'm a noob or something and will undo it just because it's not my words on the page. It's all good guys. Just because I wrote the U&D sections originally doesn't mean I have more sway over it than you guys do. 20:00, April 16, 2011 (UTC)
(NINJA EDIT:) ^^ that sounds like a liaison talking :P. I was going to "not offend" you as well. I will just edit the page since our opinions differ so much. 02:53, April 17, 2011 (UTC)
Veg apparently things it's the next thing since sliced bread, so I'll wait until I see what he saysTalk to prinny! Riceygringo 20:07, April 16, 2011 (UTC)
- Ricey, if you have a Siren max out Spark and the Tsunami works wonders. ♥ ☮✰Razldazlchick ♥ ☮✰ 20:39, April 16, 2011 (UTC)
So that's why...added it to the table or else people are going to think we lost our marbles thinking the Tsunami is a great weapon.--Talk to prinny! Riceygringo 01:31, April 17, 2011 (UTC)P.S. I am still a Nemesis fanboy
Firehawk is to Hellfire as Nemesis is to Tsunami. They're cousins. 02:27, April 17, 2011 (UTC)
Anarchy
I realize the last few sentences on the Anarchy U&D is differing greatly to your opinion of the gun, however it is exactly how I (and my friend who introduced me to borderlands) use the gun. It is, in fact, best to aim for crits with any gun. You just have to be closer with the Anarchy due to the accuracy issue.
You can actually get around the mechanics of game (with an Anarchy) by aiming below the crit, allowing the majority of the kick back to hit the crit in a sustained burst. But now I am rambling. 10:52, April 17, 2011 (UTC)
Then note that in the article. "For best results at mid range, aim for the chest and let recoil carry the gun to target's crit spot." I'm not gonna get into an edit war with you over it, if your strategy is different from mine, just back it up with logic and I won't change it. Except if it has bad grammar, that's a paddlin'. 14:15, April 17, 2011 (UTC)
Not a problem. Well, except the only one allowed to paddle me is Helena. 18:25, April 17, 2011 (UTC)
Fine, no paddling. I'll just smack you with a shovel. 18:38, April 17, 2011 (UTC)
policy
Personal pronouns is listed on this wiki's policy. It is listed like signing: "everyone should sign". I actually cant find any policy on trivia (I lost fry's link). But you can rest assured that speaking in the third person is community approved and part of this wiki's actual (unenforceable) policy. 17:59, April 18, 2011 (UTC)Borderlands_Wiki:Style_Guide <-- link
Good point, but it unenforceable, so people will do it anyway. And 99% of editors don't actually read the policy. Majority of edits will still be dedicated to cleaning pronouns. 18:25, April 18, 2011 (UTC)
dottwofivefour
Ya, I saw that. I was trying to change around my tools to get the "move page" button to show but its not working correctly. That and pay bills :/ 18:32, April 18, 2011 (UTC)
Yeah...I just deleted it. It seemed like more of a PC-only glitch anyway. Not a reliable duping method, and sure as hell not news. That's just sheer laziness. 18:36, April 18, 2011 (UTC)
Support Machine Gun/ Combat Rifle
Either way i guess. I just always used it as high power/long range machine gun in the hands of a Soldier. His mag. bonuses always help improve ammo count. Even in the hands of a Hunter with sniper rifle mag increase its useful in that roll. I will summit to your Temp-op opinoin for now :P 22:37, April 18, 2011 (UTC)
Even then, it will never be able to match the 100-round magazines of the actual support machine guns. 22:39, April 18, 2011 (UTC)
- true, but with up to three times the damage potential per bullet you dont need 100 ammo count IMO. -- 22:46, April 18, 2011 (UTC)
Of coarse this is dependent on ammo regen of some kind as you will deplete your ammo reserves in no time otherewise. 22:54, April 18, 2011 (UTC)
- Penetrator? Naw, I'd say it's more of a cross between CRs and Snipers, I can't live without that lovely gunTalk to prinny! Riceygringo 23:02, April 18, 2011 (UTC)oh Penetrator! How I love thee (I am horribly misquoting and small doesn't work so I can't hide it)
egrigeous errors
I think you forget my "conflict" with Atlas Soldier not too long after i first started here. I can get egrigeous when I want. :P 23:48, April 18, 2011 (UTC)
Shhh...I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt because you're a fellow rollbacker... 00:13, April 19, 2011 (UTC) And no one liked him anyway.
small
Just use<sub> like this 11:33, April 19, 2011 (UTC)
Page move
Could you move Rare Items (Above Purple!) to Legendary Please? I need a sysop because of the collision. happypal (talk • contribs • inventory) 13:25, April 19, 2011 (UTC)
I was wondering why NOhara became more and more placid. The sysops thing explains it all. 13:37, April 19, 2011 (UTC)
I think I did as you asked..hope this is what you meant. 13:51, April 19, 2011 (UTC) sorry for the wait 13:51, April 19, 2011 (UTC)
- Yeah, that's what I wanted, thanks a lot. happypal (talk • contribs • inventory) 13:57, April 19, 2011 (UTC)
Equalizer Masher edit
Why'd you undo it? There's like at least 5 of them on the talk page... Was it the "Rare" word? happypal (talk • contribs • inventory) 14:30, April 19, 2011 (UTC)
Yeah. I undid it because the masher accessory can spawn on almost any revolver. It's like noting that "This weapon can spawn with any elemental artifact DURR HURR." I let it fly on the unforgiven page because an unforgiven masher is exceptionally powerful. An equalizer masher...isn't. 15:51, April 19, 2011 (UTC)
- Right-o, that's what I thought, just wanted to make sure. happypal (talk • contribs • inventory) 15:56, April 19, 2011 (UTC)
- Unfortunately, it's not my place to get into edit wars anymore(For the time being). If you wish to change it, go right ahead. 16:00, April 19, 2011 (UTC) Although I might get my hands dirty later...
- Unfortunately, it's not my place to get into edit wars anymore(For the time being). If you wish to change it, go right ahead.
N-- Ohara
this is me trying to figure what teh N meanss...nick... nathan... gonad ned... you're really Dr. Ned aren't chu dear? ♥ ☮✰Razldazlchick ♥ ☮✰ 16:00, April 19, 2011 (UTC) we still ♥ yu, even if youre crazy
You've guessed it. I'm just not going to tell you which one is right. If you're on raptr in the coming weeks I'll divulge my secret identity. I won't be on tonight though, I've got plans. Nerdy plans And everybody <3's me. Some people just have different ways of showing it. For future reference, car bombs are not a good way to show me you care about me. *cough* Dr.F *cough* 16:26, April 19, 2011 (UTC)
- Shall I report you you sir that Lady Nohara accidentally spill the beans on your first name. Raz got it right on the first try. I shall scream again: "SHE'S NOT HUMAN! AHHHH!"99.254.242.76 22:56, April 23, 2011 (UTC)
- ::Lady NOhara has been sacked. 22:58, April 23, 2011 (UTC)
- wha..? i aint said nuffin. ♥ ☮✰Razldazlchick ♥ ☮✰ 01:04, April 24, 2011 (UTC)
mild inquiry
Your summary was "fixing report" and had to do with my vandalism report. I was just curious if I did anything wrong or if that was administrative stuff. 11:32, April 21, 2011 (UTC)
Just forgot to fill in the date :P 13:18, April 21, 2011 (UTC)
vandal report
you forgot to change the status to blocked. just so you know. 15:32, April 23, 2011 (UTC)
- never mind you caught it. 15:33, April 23, 2011 (UTC)
who the hell are you whore troll
who the hell are you whore
I'm the guy that's about to ban the ever living shit out of you if you don't get your shit straight. 15:39, April 24, 2011 (UTC)
- is this ^ the userpage harassment in the indictment? Dr. F 00:28, April 25, 2011 (UTC)
- Yes. 00:56, April 25, 2011 (UTC)
oops...did I just greet this user?99.254.242.76 15:44, April 24, 2011 (UTC)
- upon review of this users edits on MNC it is confirmed user is a troll and has, to my knowledge, made no productive edits anywhere on wikia. the ban is therefore ratified in full. Dr. F 06:31, April 25, 2011 (UTC)
- Noted. 12:56, April 25, 2011 (UTC)
- Noted.
I dont know if you noticed or not, but Mr Fishtits edited his user page AFTER you banned him. I dont know if you can edit your own page after a ban/block, but he did, so you might want to check to make sure he truely is blocked. -- 11:35, April 29, 2011 (UTC)
- I'm pretty sure blocked users are allowed to edit their own page. It is just a courtesy to allow them to express themselves if they feel they have been un-justifiably blocked, or if they just want to justify themselves. Further more, if the blocked person goes into complete rage mode, he'll just thrash his own user page and then leave, rather than wait for the end of the ban and then attack the wiki.
- Being banned can be a (relatively) traumatizing experience. Not everyone is a troll, but some honest people sometimes rage in good will, when they feel they have been personally attacked. Preventing them from speaking (aka user page edit) is not an easy situation to be in.
- This is usually for rage editors/vandals. If worst comes to worst, you can still block user page edit. Spammers/bots are usually straight up full-blocked.
- I was able to edit the my user page back when I was first blocked for "suspicious" edits of templates. happypal (talk • contribs • inventory) 11:57, April 29, 2011 (UTC)
- Due to the length of his block (Till the year 2100, as "indefinite" is no longer an option when dropping the B&hammer on someone), the Dr. and I, (Namely the dr.) decided to afford him the privilege of editing his own talk page if he feels like he had been unjustly blocked. BUT, through research conducted by the good Dr. we found out that he's only been a troll to whatever wiki he's been to. So, yes. He can thrash his own talk page, but that's it. 14:00, April 29, 2011 (UTC)
- Due to the length of his block (Till the year 2100, as "indefinite" is no longer an option when dropping the B&hammer on someone), the Dr. and I, (Namely the dr.) decided to afford him the privilege of editing his own talk page if he feels like he had been unjustly blocked. BUT, through research conducted by the good Dr. we found out that he's only been a troll to whatever wiki he's been to. So, yes. He can thrash his own talk page, but that's it.
Can I thrash his talk page? or at least greet him once a day? or something? How can I help/inflame the situation? In essence, What Can I Do? kidding 19:18, April 29, 2011 (UTC)
Fair enough. Just wanted to bring it to your attention incase something was amiss. -- 20:10, April 29, 2011 (UTC)
Every time that you kids bump this page, Wikia sends my mailbox a notice saying "who the hell are you HOOOOOR." Which is still hilarious, eleventy-five bumps later. Because it appears that I am eight years old. Daemmerung 20:20, April 29, 2011 (UTC)
- Another email for daem... Now, to catch up deleting all those unused images...kill me now. 22:52, April 29, 2011 (UTC)
- Another email for daem... Now, to catch up deleting all those unused images...kill me now.
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You can has favor
I will familiarise myself with these weapons better, since i have them all and see what i can come up with in the next few days, if that is alright. 01:26, May 1, 2011 (UTC)
That's absolutely fine; take all the time you need. 02:21, May 1, 2011 (UTC)
I am still working on the U&D for Eridian weapons you asked me to do. Most of them dont have the U&D. If you give me a list of the pages you would like me to look at, i will see what i can do when im done with the Eridian pages. If you feel they need to be looked at sooner, maybe you should ask Ricey to do a few more pages for you. 19:08, May 4, 2011 (UTC)
apology
i do hereby apologize for what i said on my talk page on may 2 2011 re: NOhara24 and his U&D edits. having reread what i wrote i find there was not enough room between the editing and the parenthetical allusion to opinions expressed by NOhara24 for the levity to be evident. i will try to limit my efforts at mirth in the future. again, i meant no slander or slight. Dr. F 14:37, May 2, 2011 (UTC)
No worries doc. 16:49, May 2, 2011 (UTC)
cooldown
New cooldown page needs some content. It would also put it up there with the Aries page (5 editors) if more editors made edits. See what you can do. I will add to the list as well b4 I go to bed. 11:32, May 3, 2011 (UTC)
SSCC > Adding content, at least atm. 12:18, May 3, 2011 (UTC)
SSCC cleanup
gotta have to pass on the cleanup articles, new term just started and I got maybe 15 min at max each day on the wiki, I'll check back for minor edits but probably no major projects for me until mid-june.Talk to prinny! Riceygringo 02:41, May 5, 2011 (UTC)
undo summary
mr. hara, kindly remember to provide a summary of the reason that an edit has been undone. for example, was the edit to The Spy page made because it cannot spawn with a double accessory or mag, or because you felt that the inclusion of the note was not relevant. also, a note on the op's talky page would be appreciated, in order to avoid discouraging new editors. thanks. 19:23, May 23, 2011 (UTC)
<old> Back in my day editors weren't polite at all! Nagamarky undid me just because it was my first edit! And I thanked him! Ya can't coddle these new editors I tell ya. They're gonna grow up to be a bunch of namby-pambies! Sissies! </old> 21:58, May 23, 2011 (UTC)
Cooldown
I was just cleaning up the pronouns on that page. The stub tag had nothing to do with it. 15:02, May 24, 2011 (UTC)
Oh, no worries. Carry on then. 02:34, May 25, 2011 (UTC)
Easter eggs and secrets
That's not true. I rather enjoy fat chicks. -- 
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Added by NOhara24 11:42, May 27, 2011 (UTC)
I'll wear it proudly. -- 11:46, May 27, 2011 (UTC)
- nick, my dear boy, everyone loves fat chicks. even you, i dare say. The Evil Dr. F (Talk)14,074 Edits
- Fat...in the correct places...I don't want no hambeasts. This user is picky and proud of it. 01:31, June 9, 2011 (UTC)
Nemesis
Hi, I'm fairly new to this wiki, but I'm confused as to why the Nemesis page needs two separate instances of mentioning the Invader scope? Your latest comment says because the second includes the Invader scope's effect - but isn't that the point of creating a link to the Invader's page so someone who isn't familiar with it can click through to find out? Not a huge deal, I just think it's redundant to have the Invader scope mentioned twice with really the same information. Would you be opposed to deleting the mention of it from the Usage & Description section? PombeGeek 17:18, May 27, 2011 (UTC)
I'll say it like this: Both instances of the Invader scope within the Nemesis article need to stay. While they do overlap a little bit, the fact that the Invader Scope causes the Nemesis to unload its whole magazine needs to stay in the Notes section. Simply because not every Nemesis will spawn with the Invader scope and thusly can't be put in U&D. Conversely, we need to at least mention the possibility within the U&D section so people don't get confused. 19:01, May 27, 2011 (UTC)
TFC
hit me up when you have the time (1+ hours) and we'll finish up running the column. i have everything i need from the guaranteed drops so you are welcome to whatever boss wep's drop. 17:38, May 27, 2011 (UTC)
Alright, will do. Might be awhile since I'm in the middle of finals, but I'll keep it in mind. 19:01, May 27, 2011 (UTC)
Don't trust a noob? Go count them yourself.
Go count the chests yourself then, each chest is there. The 31 Red Chests includes the stash in the basement of the gift shop too. I went walking around Tartarus Station finding all the chests I've found in the past and adding any new ones I came across, and marking them down on the map via photoshop on another laptop simultaneously. None of these chests are speculations or "I think it was there" chests. Have fun. No disrespect intended. 
18:31, May 31, 2011 (UTC)
- it took a lot of time and effort (and chutzpah) for that "noob" to take on documenting all of the chests in dlc4, something that should have been done when the dlc first dropped. for that i, and the rest of the wiki, i'd like to assume, thank him. thank you,
nooblucas. 18:54, May 31, 2011 (UTC)
I second that one. If there is any problem with the pages, it is now minor instead of major (I have not looked at them other than to see the heaps of content now there). Feel free to correct any minor things that you see. 19:03, May 31, 2011 (UTC)
Wow, this is something to wake up in the morning. Coming to my talk page and giving me a ton of shit for adding a {{fact}} tag on something I was unsure about. Do I need to remind/tell you about all the OTHER new editors/UCs that have "fixed" the chest count all of the sudden that have not been given the same courtesy but have just been flat out UNDONE? I had no reason to think that "Luccc" was any different, especially since in his first posts he was more concerned about making his sig than ACTUALLY CONTRIBUTING TO THE WIKI. In fact, I was NICE. I gave him the BENEFIT of the doubt in that I just added the tag and didn't undo him like most people on the wiki would have, without a summary either. (IIRC when I added the tag he hadn't posted the map he was talking about, he JUST changed the chest count. Like every other UC that had changed it to something incorrect.) I also didn't think that 8 characters warranted all this, especially when it could have just as easily been removed by one push of the delete key.
- You, specifically "Luccc" with three C's, could have just as easily gone back to the page and deleted the tag. Left in the summary "I really put a lot of time into this, and I documented everything. Myth busted." And it would have been fine. DO NOT post an inflammatory message on MY talk page and think that "No disrespect" will get you off the hook. Especially over a damn {{fact}} tag. Welcome to the wiki. You will be questioned. You will be undone. Bitching about it will get you nowhere. Get a few more edits under your belt, and THEN, feel free to have a civilized discussion with me. Until then, keep to your own projects, and I'll keep to mine. 11:20, June 1, 2011 (UTC)
- You, specifically "Luccc" with three C's, could have just as easily gone back to the page and deleted the tag. Left in the summary "I really put a lot of time into this, and I documented everything. Myth busted." And it would have been fine. DO NOT post an inflammatory message on MY talk page and think that "No disrespect" will get you off the hook. Especially over a damn {{fact}} tag. Welcome to the wiki. You will be questioned. You will be undone. Bitching about it will get you nowhere. Get a few more edits under your belt, and THEN, feel free to have a civilized discussion with me. Until then, keep to your own projects, and I'll keep to mine.
- EDIT: It turns out that I was right to question you and add the {{fact}} tag in the first place. Raz and sny^ pointed out 4 chests you missed when you uploaded your map. I suggest you check yourself before you come ME of all people with an inflammatory tone. 11:26, June 1, 2011 (UTC)
He was adding info that up until now no one has been willing to add. It is inevitable that he or anyone would miss a few. It wasnt just the tag. You were the one that called him out in your summary. He responded in kind. Try giving the "noobs" a break ounce in a while. We were all noobs at one time is all im saying. 11:53, June 1, 2011 (UTC)
- Veg, pointing out that he was a new user isn't calling him out. Calling someone out is going to their talk page and leaving inflammatory messages. He tried to put me on blast, and I squashed it. I added the tag, pointed out that he was a new user and for that reason I didn't trust him. Simply because in my own time on the wiki, I've noticed that UCs and new users will edit anything and everything with zero evidence. The majority of the time their edits will be factually incorrect. I ended up being right anyway because Raz and Sny^ ended up helping him get the count right, meaning that the {{fact}} tag was entirely justified. Normally, I would have undone him, but I "gave him a break" as you had suggested since he was at least registered. If everyone is going to give me this much shit over a {{fact}} tag and a summary that explained it's existence, (doing my duty as a wikia editor last I checked.) then I seriously question whether we're putting content first. I'm not a liaison, never have been. I'm going to continue to actually edit articles. If something doesn't seem right to me, or is presented without evidence, I'll forward it to the appropriate party to verify. 14:51, June 1, 2011 (UTC)
- Veg, pointing out that he was a new user isn't calling him out. Calling someone out is going to their talk page and leaving inflammatory messages. He tried to put me on blast, and I squashed it. I added the tag, pointed out that he was a new user and for that reason I didn't trust him. Simply because in my own time on the wiki, I've noticed that UCs and new users will edit anything and everything with zero evidence. The majority of the time their edits will be factually incorrect. I ended up being right anyway because Raz and Sny^ ended up helping him get the count right, meaning that the {{fact}} tag was entirely justified. Normally, I would have undone him, but I "gave him a break" as you had suggested since he was at least registered. If everyone is going to give me this much shit over a {{fact}} tag and a summary that explained it's existence, (doing my duty as a wikia editor last I checked.) then I seriously question whether we're putting content first. I'm not a liaison, never have been. I'm going to continue to actually edit articles. If something doesn't seem right to me, or is presented without evidence, I'll forward it to the appropriate party to verify.
- "(IIRC when I added the tag he hadn't posted the map he was talking about, he JUST changed the chest count. Like every other UC that had changed it to something incorrect.)" The 31st chest (one on top of pylon) was added by someone else, not me. I went and checked it in-game as well as updating the picture a few minutes after. Don't want me doing something SO important like chest locations? Fine, I won't do Zombie Island or any other chest locations that haven't been filled in. Get a veteran editor to do them if you can't trust a new editor thats willing to take on the effort. Also for the "making the sig before editng" part, who wouldn't want a good sig before making edits? Who wouldn't want to complete their profile and write stuff in? Oh, and you tell ME to not flame. Step into my shoes for a second. You come on here, and see "don't trust a noob with something so important like chest locations". Thats basically saying every new member is an asshole who edits things to their liking, that every new editor cannot ever be trusted, and that unless you have a billion edits you're not worthy of making new pages. Which, I have to say, is a stupid statement. Don't ever assume that just because someone is a "newbie", that their edits and contributions are incorrect and wrong. I'm sure you were a noob once, fortunately for you, you didn't have an admin trying to butt fuck you for doing something to help the Wiki. 14:19, June 1, 2011 (UTC)
Luccc, feel free to continue your projects, it's not like I could stop you anyway. Any work being done toward the wiki will be appreciated by the visitors and routine editors such as myself. However, if you're going to get all butthurt over someone questioning you, you won't make it very far on the wiki, at all.
Yes, I questioned you, simply on the grounds that you were a new user changing a chest count with no evidence. That is BEGGING to get undone, considering we have new users changing things like weapon damage figures to ridiculous figures all the time. Contrary to what you said, if we DIDN'T question the majority of new users the wiki would be a mess. We question EVERYONE. It's just how it goes. Questioning someone isn't assuming that they're an asshole, far from it. I had zero thoughts about you personally, or your editing style until now. I saw that bit about me being up my own ass before you edited it out, btw.
Trust is something you have to earn before you can just change something without being questioned. It wasn't anything against you personally, I assure you that. Considering you were actually a registered user, I gave you the benefit of the doubt in the matter.
I'm not going to admit fault in thinking that you wouldn't have read the edit summary, because in truth I can safely say that I wouldn't have changed a word of it. This whole thing could have been avoided by you removing the tag, presenting your evidence on the page, and then you and I could have gone on our merry ways. This is a community like everywhere else on the internets, dealing with real people and different types of personalties. If you and I share the same "Type-A" personality that you're displaying here, then I'll make a note to expect to be butting heads with you later. However, if you take the more "well-traveled" route with the intention of just proving your statements, you'll be fine by me.
Also, I'm not an admin. Just a rollbacker. 14:48, June 1, 2011 (UTC)Time to update the drama level I suppose...
- Well then next time don't be so arrogant with your statements, a simple "Need citation and proof of chest locations" would've been fine rather than something like "hes a noob, get a veteran to prove it". Should you keep wording your statements like that, other people will see you as a dick, though they may not have the balls to point it out. Pick your words better. And yes I removed the ass statement, (though off the record it remains) because what I put after seemed more reasonable and backed up my points. 15:36, June 1, 2011 (UTC)
- People already see me as a dick. You are not the first, and you won't be the last. It was already established that I'm relentlessly cocky, well before you showed up. Why? It's because I know I'm a good editor. My grammar is perfect 99% of the time. My sentence structure is immaculate. My punctuation is without flaw. My arguments are crafted with care and easy to understand. Am I a giant douche? Yes. Are there times where my attitude and style have helped me when it comes to the wiki? I daresay so. Is anyone going to be able to do anything about it other than express their dissatisfaction with my lack of manners? Absolutely not. Haters gonna hate. 16:09, June 1, 2011 (UTC) I'm not saying you and I can't be friends, it's well-known that I will go out of my way to help anyone with whatever they need. But this only happens when they ask.
Yes, and you know that I have high respect for your work. Always have. I have always wondered (personally) why you would "take the easy way" (as I see it) and UNDO substandard work. Don't take that question personally... It is just a logical dilemma I have always had because you are such a good editor. I have seen you come up with content very quickly on several pages with ease (something I cannot do). The dilemma is seeing you UNDO something that could be easily fixed (rather knowing that it could be fixed and it is UNDONE anyway). I am not talking about this current issue of making a citation tag. I am asking about when it is illogical for you to UNDO an edit (because you are our best editor). I, in the past, have had to UNDO your UNDO and fix the edit myself. I guess I just don't understand LOL.
Anyway, on the current issue: it is very appropriate to leave a friendly summary (actually it is official guidelines). I never question your right to put a citation tag anywhere. Your summary was inflammatory (even if you do not see it as such) and multiple members responded, including an admin. I never question your place in this community. Just take into consideration our feelings as well on the subject, please. 18:15, June 1, 2011 (UTC)
I respect you as an editor, NOhara. You help to keep the content factual and grammatically correct. I am not trying to incite you, just asking you to ease up a little sometimes. You were right IMO to ask for the fact tag. Just please ease up on the summary is all. It could have been (was) taken the wrong way. 18:39, June 1, 2011 (UTC)
This is the second time an edit summary (or lack thereof) has drawn attention to me. It's been noted as such. However, considering some of the garbage that I DO post as an edit summary that no one pays attention to, this is still a very minor incident blown way out of proportion, in my eyes. 21:24, June 1, 2011 (UTC)
For what it's worth, I agree with NOhara. The first three comments had nothing to do with the edit summary, so I'm not really sure if it was the original issue or not. Still, if you're called a "noob", (and perhaps "Newb" would have been the better choice of words in this instance), it doesn't help your case to start acting like a "noob".
People are going to get offended. That's just a simple fact. Should you "ease up" on your edit summaries because someone might get upset? Well looking at those first couple of comments, it would seem that it was the {{fact}} that caused the most grief. That was what got people all riled up. Should you stop adding {{fact}} tags because it might offend someone? After all, it means you don't trust them, and that's rude.
In the years I've spent on the intertoobs, I've dealt with actual assholes, who have said actual offensive things. "Noob" is pretty low on that list. We can't protect everyone from getting butthurt 100% of the time and I don't think we should. If someone gets offended, fine, we deal with it like adults. Trying to tiptoe around the new guys because a minor word may be offensive is just... dumb. -- 01:29, June 2, 2011 (UTC)
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I'll just say this to everyone instead of individuals. I bid my time. If there is an issue, it will present itself far better than any example I could come up with. I am not suggesting tiptoeing around any user, new or not.
I am saying that using the words "I don't trust (your edit)" in a summary is inflammatory and inappropriate.
I could have said "I don't trust Raz on COMS", or "I dont trust Veg on weapon descriptions", or "I dont trust Airos with his own sig", or "I dont trust NOhara to correctly revert a page back to Nagy", or "I dont trust Fryguy on anarchy information".
The fact is that I respect you all and would not even think of such a thing (for the record, I never edited anything about Fryguys foot in the mouth move :D ).
I am, in fact, saying that respect is due to everyone that makes good faith edits. I do not care whether they are noobs or prove to be noobs at a later time. It does not need to be pointed out that trust is an issue, rather, verification or correction is the issue. That respect does, in fact, need to be followed (not tiptoeing at this point since we are all adults here).
If you have an issue with information on a page, then address the issue, not the editor. 09:59, June 2, 2011 (UTC)
- Meh, I was going to write out a lengthy reply, but it really just comes down to this: we're going to be biased. I am. Go look at that {{fact}} tag I slapped on Crazy Earl. If an established editor made that claim, I wouldn't have batted an eye because I can look at that users contributions and trust that they know what they're talking about. If an IP makes such a claim? I don't know them. I don't know the difference between a "good faith" edit and "vandalism" in those situations. I don't trust the information because I don't trust the person.
- Right, wrong or indifferent, it's a thing that happened. Now, people can choose to ignore it or be offended by it. Personally, I'm not going to let it upset me because I don't find it inflammatory or inappropriate for the reasons I stated in my last post. If someone tells me that they don't trust me with regards to information, (and I do believe that claim was actually made at one point), then I'll either prove myself to their satisfaction or ignore them.
- For what it's worth, I'll just leave this here. -- 11:14, June 2, 2011 (UTC)
@ Airos: I have no problem with verification because of the source(I have not said otherwise). The fact is that you did not support a summary of "I do not trust this noob". You supported your opinion that a "screenshot" was needed. This is addressing the issue on the page, not the editor. It is a claim of verification, not of mistrust. The fact is that you did mistrust the source of the information but you did not state that "I think you are crap and need double checked" or anything of the sort. Stating that "I do not trust the origins" is disrespect. You only wanted verification.
In re-guards to your link, That was very soon after I had joined this wiki and could not get an edit in edgewise. I have worked hard in order to edit on this wiki and allow others to join in the editing. In fact, it has been stated that 90% of UC's get deleted anyway. You of all people should know that a closed wiki is not fun to join. I am not attacking you, just showing that there is more to the story than what you might think. 11:33, June 2, 2011 (UTC)
To end this thread, since the topic has been effectively beat to death by all of us, I'll say this and then it's thread locked:
I did not see the edit summary as inflammatory. Luccc chose to take it in the way he did and then subsequently act on it. If the word "noob" is now considered an offensive, albeit accurate to describe a new user, that's news to me. As it's been said, this is the second time an edit summary or lack thereof has drawn attention to me. Again, this is an edit summary that spawned all of the above. So I can't say I'm going to worry about it or make an effort to change my habits. 11:50, June 2, 2011 (UTC)
It was the "I dont trust" as the gist... I have been guilty of screening over much of the thread myself, so I do not blame you... 11:54, June 2, 2011 (UTC)
"In the years I've spent on the intertoobs, I've dealt with actual assholes, who have said actual offensive things. "Noob" is pretty low on that list. We can't protect everyone from getting butthurt 100% of the time and I don't think we should. If someone gets offended, fine, we deal with it like adults. Trying to tiptoe around the new guys because a minor word may be offensive is just... dumb. "
It wasn't "noob" that was offensive, go ahead, say what you want, names don't bother me. I call people a noob all the time. The fact that he had to be so judgemental and immediately assuming that the contents of the page were false is what got on my nerves. No, I'm not a sensitive little bitch that gets offended by every little word such as "noob". -- 20:09, June 2, 2011 (UTC)
As Airos said, the established wiki editors are going to be biased against new people until they prove that they post good information. If we didn't, the wiki would be nothing but false posts and speculation. Call it your "probationary period" if you must. All new users are scrutinized more than the established folk, it's just how it is. 20:59, June 2, 2011 (UTC)
And everyone here pretty much does the same thing (check over new editors work). The only issue I have is that it does not have to be POINTED out that an editor is under scrutiny. We all know how it is, no need to rub any noses in it. 14:11, June 3, 2011 (UTC)
That is just a little bit "cocky" even for you, my friend
You just got the UotD award!!!
I am LMAO 11:05, June 2, 2011 (UTC)
This user is a happy goose now. Three UotD for me with no UotM, isn't that some kind of record? 11:12, June 2, 2011 (UTC)
If it is not, then it should be... wait until you see your ubx I got in mind. 11:34, June 2, 2011 (UTC)
I am anxiously awating delivery. 11:42, June 2, 2011 (UTC)
Thought it was appropriate
Given your attitude and sense of humor. Change it if you want to something more appropriate to yourself. It is for you and you only. 12:13, June 2, 2011 (UTC)
Looks good to me. I'm just gonna move it so it's up with the UotD awards. 12:53, June 2, 2011 (UTC)
EDIT: Or not. For some reason it's not playing nice. 12:57, June 2, 2011 (UTC)
How is that, my most "confidant" friend?...(insert, no pun, appropriate ENGORGE reference) 13:08, June 2, 2011 (UTC)
United we stand.
Added by AirosLook, it's totally the same picture! I mean, there's like two hands, and they're clasped together. If it weren't for the file names I wouldn't even be able to tell them apart.
Myth confirmed, man. -- Airos ✗ ✆ ✍ ✉ 13:06, June 8, 2011 (UTC)
OH MY GOD YOU'RE RIGHT. IT'S LIKE THE SAME PICTURE. Randy Pitchford must love his yu-gi-oh. 16:57, June 8, 2011 (UTC) I lol'd.
...What am I missing here? What is this about?--Talk to prinny! Riceygringo 19:38, June 8, 2011 (UTC)
- apparently RP's gotta catch 'em all! [2] 19:46, June 8, 2011 (UTC)
- That's Pokemon, Fry. -- Owns all 5 main series Pokemon games for the GBA 20:06, June 8, 2011 (UTC)
- ah, hell. {{user|NOT 11 years old}}
- Yeah... I didn't start playing Pokemon until I was 27 or 28. My only justification is that they are really good RPGs, and I'm still not sure that's reason enough. why do I keep confessing to stuff on NOhara's talk page? 20:25, June 8, 2011 (UTC)
- Yeah... I didn't start playing Pokemon until I was 27 or 28. My only justification is that they are really good RPGs, and I'm still not sure that's reason enough. why do I keep confessing to stuff on NOhara's talk page?
- i slept with a teddy bear until i was 22. my god, now i'm doing it!?! 21:03, June 8, 2011 (UTC)
- That's Pokemon, Fry. --
It's all Nohara's fault, spill it! What did you put in Fry's drink =D?--Talk to prinny! Riceygringo 21:44, June 8, 2011 (UTC)
- This user takes no responsibility for any Amobarbital that may or may not have been ingested by visiting his talk page. 01:27, June 9, 2011 (UTC) I cried when Aeris died
- This user takes no responsibility for any Amobarbital that may or may not have been ingested by visiting his talk page.
I'll see Fry's teddy bear and raise two bookshelves. At this point it's not even embarrassing to admit stuff -- Airos ✗ ✆ ✍ ✉ 19:02, June 9, 2011 (UTC)
- (The Evil Dr. F's Note - see: catharsis.)
- it's okay, doc. you can tell us what you're hiding. this is a safe place. {{whispers}} who hurt you, doc?? -fry smalley
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Sir, my first job was programming binary loadlifters—very similar to your vaporators in most respects. -- Airos ✗ ✆ ✍ ✉ 01:23, June 10, 2011 (UTC)
- i will see your obscure sw reference and raise you following the entire first season of project runway.
Seriously? Project runway? Is that the one where Arnold Schwarzenegger is a convict on a game show and the government of California is closing in? 10:30, June 14, 2011 (UTC)
Last Cleanup Page
I think the Weapons by prefix page is fine, bit deep, but it's a good read for people who's interested in the mechanics of the Gearbot. So I'm removing it from Cleanup.Talk to prinny! Riceygringo 05:22, June 14, 2011 (UTC)
Did you go through it and look for anything that would warrant cleanup? I think I saw a couple pronouns and such worth purging. If not, no worries then. We can retire and go somewhere warm for awhile. 10:57, June 14, 2011 (UTC)
Led astray
Dr.F lead me astray... Don't worry though, I got a full blooded native to deal with Warblade if he gets 2 rowdy :D 09:05, June 14, 2011 (UTC)
No worries either way. 10:58, June 14, 2011 (UTC)
Then you have not met my wife... LOL 11:07, June 14, 2011 (UTC)
oh BTW, if you did not see, the artifact shapes has been proven wrong on the talk page. 11:26, June 14, 2011 (UTC)
Chiquito Amigo
DR.F Locked the page because of a percieved edit war on the page. There is a form post to discuss the caption for that page to try and talk it out. 19:02, June 20, 2011 (UTC)
[[User:Not Upset]]
[[This User is relieved]] 13:29, June 22, 2011 (UTC)
Lets not overdo it shall we. I was thinking Brofist! :P 19:53, June 22, 2011 (UTC)
Fresh out. Waiting on a new shipment. Hugs are all I've got left. 22:28, June 22, 2011 (UTC)
How about a chest bump. 22:47, June 22, 2011 (UTC)
Hello and welcome to the wiki
| Borderlands' resident prinny squad at your service If you have any questions please ask me dood! |
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Hi, I noticed that you've been working like a machine in the past 12 hours pumping out 2000+ edits, thank you for your contribution to the wiki--Talk to prinny!
Riceygringo 17:40, June 22, 2011 (UTC)
My everything hurts. 22:29, June 22, 2011 (UTC)
Brick Caption
You did not leave an explaination and I personally do not know what that is in reference to. Perhaps a link to explain? 11:50, June 28, 2011 (UTC)
Done. 21:44, June 28, 2011 (UTC)
UoTM
Congrats. Despite what you may think, you earned it. 03:22, July 19, 2011 (UTC)
I'm not questioning it at all. Feels good to finally get the cyan box though. 10:51, July 19, 2011 (UTC)
Buisy as always...
Ha! i saw you editing the heck out of the wiki just now so i thought "he's at it again" lol!
Nvrm. I just thought is was appropriate as all. ;-) I... I am the King! 12:06, July 26, 2011 (UTC)
Yeah...my recent promotion and finally getting the cyan box was a big boost to morale. So...here I be :D 12:15, July 26, 2011 (UTC)
Nice good job. Keep up the good work SIR! I... I am the King! 23:34, July 27, 2011 (UTC)
79 round mag draco
Lex has one in "worst legit weapons found" thread on gbxforms. Link on Draco talk page now. Minimum S&S MG mag is mag4, and that yields 79 rounds on the Draco. Check it out and see if that satisfies you. Logisim 02:53, July 30, 2011 (UTC)
Get the actual pic on the talk page in it's own section before you put the value back to 79. 02:58, July 30, 2011 (UTC)
10x
Hi, just wanted to say thanks for blocking that guy from the Vucana page. He was really getting on my nerves. Auntarie 21:16, July 30, 2011 (UTC)
No worries. I just didn't catch the vandal report the first time. If you're on steam, you could always message myself/doc/fry/raz if you report someone and no one has caught it after awhile. 00:05, July 31, 2011 (UTC)
i have explained myself everytime i have changed it i have wrote under it to go to the Deploy skill page & read the section Scorpio Mechanics you will understand why it needs to be points not seconds. Im not going to copy & paste the whole section onto another page when you can jus easly go to the specifed page & readKxkamikaze 20:57, August 3, 2011 (UTC)
Guess who's back
Yep, that's right; I'm back again, and this time I'll stay for a while... been busy with life and whatnot in the past few months... but I installed Borderlands again today, and I'm already up and running.
Also, I'd like to help out with the Wiki (with the Mr. F's Bounty Board, SSCC, and other stuph); so is there anything I can do?? :D 14:27, August 8, 2011 (UTC) P.S. I'll start working on the Project X asap.
Good to see you back Mr.Zaph! But yes, if you look at the top of my talk page there are two articles that need to be SSCC'd whenever one of us gets around to it. If you see any articles that require anything outside the normal cleanup, just tag it and we'll get to it that way. Other than that, scout for BL2 details and pay attention to mama Dr.F's bounty board. You've been around here for awhile, you know what to do :D 15:53, August 8, 2011 (UTC)
NOFFICER COMMANDING
Thought you might enjoy this. ♥ ☮✰Razldazlchick ♥ ☮✰ 05:21, August 9, 2011 (UTC)
For some reason, I am completely disturbed by that... 08:24, August 9, 2011 (UTC)
Oh god. Finally my grammar-nazi tendencies bring a smile to my face.
"Can I please have you babies?" - This made my teeth itch.
"Can I please have you, babies?" -Slightly better.
"Can I please have you? Babies!" - Fell out of my rolly chair in the office. Had to pause the video and send it to my boss, he wanted to make sure I wasn't going insane.
+1 youtube for Raz. 11:43, August 9, 2011 (UTC)
- Thought you would appriciate my summery :D 12:54, August 9, 2011 (UTC)
its what i'm here for. :3 ♥ ☮✰Razldazlchick ♥ ☮✰ 14:50, August 9, 2011 (UTC)
Dotonesixeight
I usually just warn a minor one time vandal. Not much point in blocking a one timer if they dont come back anyway. If the vandal does several post in a row or does some major damage, then i "drop the hammer". 20:30, August 9, 2011 (UTC)
2100?
for 2 counts of ad-spam? - The Ëvil Dr. F
Mama, that arrow is horrendous. ♥ ☮✰Razldazlchick ♥ ☮✰ 01:35, August 10, 2011 (UTC)
- mama was having palpitations while trying to draw it sweetie. not bad for just after fainting dead away dont you think? Dr. F 15:20, August 12, 2011 (UTC)
- i forgive you, tis poifect. :3 ♥ ☮✰Razldazlchick ♥ ☮✰ 15:46, August 12, 2011 (UTC)
im new
well im new here i signed up yesterday and i wont be on for a week and ill be at disneyJericho2000 14:42, August 12, 2011 (UTC)
UNDO
Please provide a brief summary when UNDOing a edit. 11:15, August 18, 2011 (UTC)
I'm not going to let you open this can of worms for a third time. You can go back through my archives and find that this same issue has been brought up time and time again, and I've said the same thing every time. If it warrants it, I'll leave a summary. If not, I won't. End of Discussion. Stay off my back, robot. 15:33, August 18, 2011 (UTC)
I will ask you everytime I think it does warrant a summary. Period. 18:13, August 18, 2011 (UTC)
It's not your edit. It's mine. If you don't agree with a lack of summary, talk to someone who cares. Otherwise, shove it. Have a nice day. 19:02, August 18, 2011 (UTC)
If you feel you are above the common courtesy and respect to give a summary, so be it. If you feel you are above the common courtesy and respect given to someone who asks nicely, so be that also.
As you have said, I explained that it makes my job harder, so be it.
But never again state that you will try and make an effort on anything, when clearly you will go back to doing what you want... Your words are weak. 03:35, August 19, 2011 (UTC)
So I can't say I'm going to worry about it or make an effort to change my habits.—NOhara24
Before you try to talk down to me, I suggest you get your facts straight. If you even thought for a second that I cared about my edits making your "job" harder in any way, you are sorely mistaken. Do yourself a favor and get off my talk page before I embarrass you further. 11:09, August 19, 2011 (UTC)
You dont need to worry about me. Thanks for your concern.
Facts are escaping this entire subject it seems.
1. I only brought up the issue once before this.
2. When Veg brought up the issue, you did say you would try to help a Liaison's job.
3. Apparently there is a method that I have never used before:
- A. Treat a friendly reminder with contempt.
- B. When the person reacts with something firmer, Talk down to them.
- C. Either the person will take it, or step it up themselves (at which time you can point your finger).
Through all of the escaped facts on this subject, one is blindingly clear:
You chose which issues to address and which to leave untouched.
Although I can totally understand why you would want to avoid the idea of common courtesy.
I, however, will tell you what I mean:
You may say anything you want... but your words are hollow... They have no heart... You will say one thing, then turn around and go straight back to your (un)original line of thought.
Being a good editor does not excuse that in the least. I once respected the person because of the work.
I was saying that that is no longer the case... Your words are weak. 07:49, August 20, 2011 (UTC)
1. Yes, the issue was brought up twice before this. I said that I was not going to let YOU open the can of worms for a third time, as you have already done now.
2. In fact, I did NOT say that I would have anything to do with being a liaison; and when Veg brought the issue up for the second time, the first being after you did, I stood my ground. Infact, you did write a little unofficial policy on my page concerning me, specifically. It read: "-NOhara has the right not to follow official guidelines (although official policy is different), no matter what the community feels about it. If we want to take the time to look deeper into something NOhara deletes then that is a voluntary action on our part." Granted, a policy from you means nothing (considering you're not in a position of power), but considering it was you who gave me that privilege in the first place, and yet you're arguing with me now about that same issue, it's a bit hypocritical, no?
3.
- A. I hardly think that reminding someone about a minor issue for a third time, when they've already stated their viewpoint on the matter, would be considered friendly. In fact, it's rather inflammatory, that's why we're here now.
- B. That's exactly what you're doing now. "Your words are weak", is the definition of talking down to someone.
- C. You of all people know I don't stand for other editors bullshit. This, being the very definition of BULLSHIT.
Now that I can safely say that I was the one that brought all the facts to the table, despite your lies and lack of proof, at least the argument has been set straight. I never agreed to start routinely adding edit summaries, and it's likely that I never will. Why? Because it's a waste of effort unless I'm asked for an explanation in a civil manner from someone who I think deserves it. Upon that happening, I've always been more than willing to provide an explanation.
Also, considering that I've done exactly as I've said I would as far as edit summaries go, meaning not leaving them, "my words" are cold, hard facts. Unlike your arguments. I really didn't want to kick you while you were down, but you've forced my hand.
As for someone who acts like you do, proposing policies 24 hours a day and such, I thought you should know that you are violating the #9 rule of the Borderlands Wiki:Simplified Ruleset , that rule being NO PERSONAL ATTACKS, I'd say that blatantly attacking my integrity as an editor qualifies as a personal attack. 17:08, August 20, 2011 (UTC)
First of all, Thanks for picking and choosing. I will do the same.
You act like I am the only editor to ever say anything on the subject when multiple editors address it and that my (our) policy is the only thing that says a summary is in order when makeing an UNDO, when policy is adapted by wiki guidelines.
Yes, I have defended you in the past because you are a good editor.
You, in the end, stated that you would do follow up (which is even more a waste of time), and provide a DERP summary "for the sake of making the liaision's jobs easier".
Yet now you say "If you even thought for a second that I cared about my edits making your "job" harder in any way, you are sorely mistaken", which is misleading because you did not edit anything, you used the UNDO button (a summary would be an edit, there wasn't even that).
I stated "I would ask NOhara to respect us enough to give a heads up when he is deleting most or all of a contribution", which is easier and rather simple to do (being a good editor, I would think that its not that hard or completely out of your way). Not to mention common courtesy.
The fact that you say you will do it and, when I do a friendly reminder, You go into INFLAMATORY mode is why we are here.
You also know that I do not take bullshit. Saying that you will leave a "DERP" summary and telling me to shove it, when I never attacked you is entirely bullshit.
I do not think that anyone will take my statement of "your words are weak" to mean anything about your edits (as I have defended your being a good editor, even here). Rather, they will see it as it is.
Making a claim to change your UNDO into something resembling common courtesy, and then not doing it is exactly what I meant. How else am I supposed to say it? Your words are strong? WTF? You have proven that your "word(s)" are basically meaningless.
As a side note, while we are here: Being a rollbacker, admin, or anything else gives "less wiggle room" not more. These are positions of responsibility, not power. The fact that they are put into trusted hands means that those hands ARE and should REMAIN trusted. There is no such thing as "wiggle room" for anyone who should know better. 19:44, August 20, 2011 (UTC)
Your entire argument is broken. I never EVER said that I would do ANYTHING to help the liasions. I said that I would provide the "derp" summary "because it was hilarious". Look at the talk archive. Regardless, I don't think that it's much of an issue.
Regardless of what you consider the difference between an edit/undo, I don't care. I'll leave an edit/undo summary if/when it suits me.
The reason why we're here is your beating of the metaphorical dead horse. EVERY. SINGLE. TIME, the issue of a summary was brought up by (yourself, fry, veg, and yourself AGAIN) I NEVER EVER said that I'd agree to a summary. At least the other editors got the hint.
You're basing your entire argument on something that I never said. You can ask of me all you want to, leaving a summary or whatever, but know that I will NEVER do anything YOU specifically ask of me. You can make your edits, say that I said something that I never did until the end of time, or until you've got to pour yourself another glass of wine. I. Don't. Care. About. Anything. You. Say.
And if you don't see the ability to ban someone as a part of being in a position of power, I question your intelligence.
To sum up:
I never agreed to helping the liasions. You're wrong.
I never agreed to leaving edit/undo summaries. You're wrong.
We're here because you continue to bring up old issues that have already been settled. You're wrong.
Take your ramblings somewhere else, bitch about the issue you've got with me to someone who cares. I've had to pick apart your (poorly built) argument over the span of two days. It's safe to say whatever nonsense you're going to spout at me next, will not convince me to change my mind. Stop making a fool of yourself, and drop it. 21:12, August 20, 2011 (UTC)
Added by I am the best robotI never tried to change your mind. I simply made a request. I let you know that you did not have to, it is you who chose to come to a resemblance of common courtesy.
I get that you want to take that back (just say so).
As far as your "position of power" trip... I think you need to read more about what it is to be a sysops. 05:23, August 21, 2011 (UTC)
Cute Screenshot. Alright Robot, follow me here. Note that there are TWO paragraphs. Two paragraphs mean two different subjects, the FIRST paragraph is the one dealing with edit summaries after an undo In the first paragraph I say "I shall start using DERP as my summaries when undoing an edit." That is the issue at hand, upon reading it, it says clearly enough that "DERP" will be my edit summary when I undid an edit. If you want to fault me for not typing four irrelevant letters upon undoing a bad edit, that's on you.
The SECOND paragraph is where I said that I'd try to explain to UC what was wrong with their edit on their talk page. NOT via an edit summary. REPEAT, THE SECOND PARAGRAPH HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH EDIT SUMMARIES. I think it's safe to say that we're done here. You've done nothing but post irrelevant garbage on my talk page in an attempt to defame me as an editor/sysop.
And I've read the sysop policy, thanks. If you don't think that having all the privileges of a sysop translates to more power, then I question your train of thought. Does it also lead to more responsibilities to cover? Yes. But how do you think a regular editor would stop a vandal? Oh, right. They can't. That's why the sysops are given the POWER to do so. 15:59, August 21, 2011 (UTC)
The screenshot was in response to your stating that you never agreed to leave a summary or help liaisons.
The fact is that you said the request was valid and when I did a friendly reminder, you went straight into "tell off the robot" mode.
I understand that you do not have to leave a summary, Its just that at one time you agreed to (however weakly).
I am definitely allowed to defame your position on leaving a summary (given what you have stated in the past), If you think that translates to defaming you personally, that is on you.
Sarcastic defame on summaries: I totally get that it is hard to type a few words when hitting the UNDO button. I totally get that it puts you out to a degree that you just cant do it. I totally get that your time is worth more than the common courtesy to do so. I totally get that you will wine and kick when the subject is brought up to you. After all, it is so hard to do and takes so much time that common courtesy is not worth it. I totally get that when happy, veg, and Dr.F all chime in on the subject (not sure where you get fry?) that you will ignore the community in favor of not hurting your little fingers by typing a simple UNDO summary. I will not bring it up again because I now know how much of a delicate flower you are on the subject.
Now we are done on the subject of summaries.
On the subject of power: You really do not realize what power actually is on a wiki, do you?
Making the statement "Granted, a policy from you means nothing (considering you're not in a position of power)" shows that you don't 20:32, August 21, 2011 (UTC)
Despite however many times I've smacked you over the dead with concrete proof of what I've said, you still continue to drill the same moot point that never had any proof behind it. I'm done explaining myself to you, I don't even owe you that courtesy. We're done here. Take your complaints with me elsewhere. 22:02, August 21, 2011 (UTC)
Commenting out? Nice way to hide.
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It has been requested that Dr. F look into the matter(s) discussed in this section. |
TYVM 10:48, August 23, 2011 (UTC)
- Not helpful, Robot. Not helpful. Having said that, it's probably about time I make a third-party suggestion... I've read this argument enough to know that the pair of you are trying to get the last word in and the dispute itself is not helpful for the Borderlands Wiki. There are two ways to stop that. The easy way is to simply stop. So there it is: I suggest that both of you refrain from replying to this argument any further. Take your hands away from the keyboards and give yourselves a chance to calm down. The only response I would hope to see from this note is the word, "Agreed." Do you accept? -- WarBlade 12:34, August 23, 2011 (UTC)
Agreed. 15:17, August 23, 2011 (UTC)
That is entirely my bad. I meant to say that on Dr.F's talk page LOL.
I agree. For the month cool down I will stay off the wiki (refer to my second edit on this thread).
I didnt really think it would be such a big deal to extend common courtesy to all users. Robot signing off 20:20, August 23, 2011 (UTC)
- extraneous verbiage noted bot. glad to see you can agree to warblade's terms as mine are significantly more draconian. Dr. F 23:59, August 23, 2011 (UTC)
Chopper
From Wikipedia's article: "To build or chop a traditional chopper an unmodified factory bike is used (usually a rigid Harley Davidson)..." So yeah, one does more or less equal the other in this case. 2.27.117.199 11:15, August 18, 2011 (UTC)
Oh, and the rest of your sentence, since, you know, posting the rest of it would actually dispel some of the misinformation you posted on my page. "...and everything unnecessary to either move or stop is stripped or chopped off. Then the engine and transmission are removed and the frame is cut up and welded back together to make it lower and lighter. Performance parts are added or modified to increase speed." So what was that about one equaling the other when everything that makes it a Harley is taken off anyway? 15:43, August 18, 2011 (UTC)
Stat Modifiers:RE
Thanks for the heads up. The important part to me is that the Link is there so that anyone who wants the info can find it. All i did was copy /paste the text that Happypal had writen from the Hydra page originally. Its all good. 14:05, August 29, 2011 (UTC)
Hatchet
buried... :D 08:49, February 9, 2012 (UTC)
Firehawk's "x6 proc"
I'm curious. Why did you revert the edit that corrected wrong information in Firehawk article? Where does this x6 proc misconception come from? WillowTree, GearCalc, in-game debuginfo, basic understanding of Borderlands' game mechanics and empirical testing will all prove it doesn't exist. Please, feel free to check it out yourself. - 91.153.22.204 07:49, September 3, 2011 (UTC)
Don't talk down to me. First, I'm entirely aware that nothing proves that the gun procs up to x6. But considering that there are occasions where it's DOT is FAR beyond that of a normal x4, saying that the gun can go up to x6 is the best way to portray the extra DOT. The effect is mechanically correct with a x6 proc, and just like the game says, it will only indicate x4.
Also, you're not the only one here who has access to all the resources you mentioned. We have people that are far more experienced than you and I that have let that fact stand for YEARS. The game has been out since 2009, I think it's safe to say that we know what all the guns in the game do. 15:13, September 3, 2011 (UTC)
- Please, no ad hominems and contradictions if possible. Without going into details, you seem to acknowledge that it really isn't a x6 proc, but it's "the best way" to portray the weapon's stats? No, just no. Elemental multiplier != damage multiplier.
- I'd say facts would be better than trying to represent weapon stats with an inexact, made-up system. Many of the elemental weapon articles on this wiki have imprecise, misleading information. I could start rewriting them (mostly adding elemental effect details on the mechanics section and clarifying what the flavor text actually does) if factual accuracy is preferred. - 91.153.22.204 16:11, September 3, 2011 (UTC)
- (The Evil Dr. F's note - the flavor text, in fact, does nothing)
- I am not liking your tone, at all, dottwozerofour. Like Dr.F said, the flavor text does nothing. And yes, making a note of the extra damage with a "x6 proc", IS the best way to portray the missing link between the firehawk's massive DoT and lesser fire rate. (Because as I'm sure you know, incendiary damage stacks with every sucessful shot.)
- Facts pertaining to a misleading system aren't really facts if they're wrong, are they? Noting the firehawk as x4 would be correct as far as in-game laws go. But considering that the firehawk does much more damage than every other gun that has x4 proc capability, it needs to be noted. And noting that it has the ability to proc to x6 is the best way to do that. It's more specific, and provides more information to those who choose to look into the issue. As opposed to just noting it as "increased elemental damage" or somesuch.
- The mechanics sections are fine, as are the flavor text in all the articles. We don't need everyone chiming in with their own interpretations of the mechanincs/red text sections. Thank you. If you want to start making major changes to the wiki, I suggest doing the following, in the order specified.
- 1. Watch your tone with me, and all other users on the wiki. "No, just no." and "Please, feel free to check it out yourself" after citing information that proves your being correct is NOT something I take kindly to. I told you to stop talking down to me, and you continued to do so. The next step is me ignoring you and undoing every change you make as a UC.
- (Dr. F's note - not required for editors/editing)
- 1. Watch your tone with me, and all other users on the wiki. "No, just no." and "Please, feel free to check it out yourself" after citing information that proves your being correct is NOT something I take kindly to. I told you to stop talking down to me, and you continued to do so. The next step is me ignoring you and undoing every change you make as a UC.
- 2. Actually register as member of the wiki. Being a UC lends you ZERO credibility, as most times when someone is referred to by their IP, they are more than likely a nuisance that warrants the ban hammer.
- (Dr. F's note - not required for editors/editing)
- 2. Actually register as member of the wiki. Being a UC lends you ZERO credibility, as most times when someone is referred to by their IP, they are more than likely a nuisance that warrants the ban hammer.
- 3. Make a forum page detailing all the changes that you would like to make to the articles on the wiki. Let the rest of the community chime in. At least that way, if the community approves, you can make your changes largely uncontested.
- (Dr. F's note - this would be nice. while not actually a "social network", wikia is a community and maybe not as learned as the sycophantic zealots of the gbxforums, though we do try.)
- 3. Make a forum page detailing all the changes that you would like to make to the articles on the wiki. Let the rest of the community chime in. At least that way, if the community approves, you can make your changes largely uncontested.
- Do not make any more posts on my talk page until you've done so. 16:44, September 3, 2011 (UTC)
- (Dr. F's note - not required for editors/editing. think of this as a request.)
- Do not make any more posts on my talk page until you've done so.
- "Unlike revolvers, the Firehawk cannot do x2, x3, and x4 procs; it either hits for its normal bullet damage, or procs for x6. ... Every shot has a chance to proc for max elemental damage. In this case, max elemental damage is an extraordinary x6 (which, for fire, is 4.8x normal damage...)" [3] nagy talklog 05:40, September 4, 2011 (UTC)
- First off, I must apologize since I seem to have seriously offended you. Sorry. That was not my intention. I thought you might want to test it yourself since usually the word of an IP doesn't weight much on wikis. I hope we can get along. And thank you for your advice! However, I still prefer to remain anonymous behind proxy IPs. I did open a forum topic as you adviced, but at a quick glance, the forum seems to be full of gameplay-related posts, not of wiki changes...
- The often quoted forum posts you link are original research and contain blatantly false information (Like nagy's quote here - revolvers and firehawk can both proc x1-x4. Again, damage multiplier is a variable. You can tell procs of different levels apart from their AoE size.) - 91.153.22.204 18:33, September 4, 2011 (UTC)
- "Unlike revolvers, the Firehawk cannot do x2, x3, and x4 procs; it either hits for its normal bullet damage, or procs for x6. ... Every shot has a chance to proc for max elemental damage. In this case, max elemental damage is an extraordinary x6 (which, for fire, is 4.8x normal damage...)" [3] nagy talk
Ninety-one, there was some name-calling early in the exchange that led to NOhara's nose getting out of joint, and I can't say that I blame him. You can certainly remain anonymous behind proxy IPs while creating an account. ("Twilight" is certainly not my given name.) I personally would love to see new original research and clarification, though I personally am not inclined to repeat Scottes' work. Dämmerung 18:39, September 4, 2011 (UTC)
Questioning original research in an attempt to prove your point without bringing up your own information proves nothing. Nagy's quote is the only thing, aside from the links that I posted from the talk page, that have the slightest semblance of actual research. Your claims have been so far, entirely unsubstantiated. Besides, the issue has been settled anyway. It's simply done with. Thank you very much to everyone who has weighed in. 19:09, September 4, 2011 (UTC)
- Please bear with me a while longer. Like I mentioned at the beginning of this discussion, we have tools available that use the game data directly: In-game debuginfo, WillowTree and GearCalc. My claims come from these, and are verifiable in-game. Most of the in-game original research correlates with them, but research often gets the details wrong, like assuming elemental multiplier = damage multiplier. Doing original research before understanding game mechanics is the reason we have these old misconceptions such as firehawk's case. I'm not saying original research is wrong or bad, I'm just saying that a wiki should document facts taken directly from game data instead of approximations based on old original research. - 91.153.22.204 19:34, September 4, 2011 (UTC)
- Gearcalc and Willowtree do not use game data directly. They are original research, and they are neither exhaustive nor infallible. We already use both extensively, though (as you have observed) not infallibly.... Dämmerung 19:40, September 4, 2011 (UTC)
- BTW, I'm happy to share the Gearcalc source datafiles with anybody who wants them. I haven't looked at WT in a long time-- got sidetracked on other projects-- but I still have the GC guts from back when I was going to hack a WTish thing. Dämmerung 19:41, September 4, 2011 (UTC)
We get it. There is info that says X4. Wonderful. The research says it's equivalent to a x6, if it existed. Both points are on the page itself. And old research is still valid considering it's an old game. End of discussion. Thanks for making that point, Daem. 19:47, September 4, 2011 (UTC)
Question regarding revision
Good day sir! I am curious to why you revised my revision to Roland's trivia page? Just some background why I changed it, on my last convoy my TC was an E-3 and before that an E-4, which is why I changed it to ranking persons. HyperMetal3000 12:22, September 11, 2011 (UTC)
- fair point. E-4 can be either NCO or not. E-5 and above who can be troubled to mobilize being in short supply. Dr. F 16:52, September 11, 2011 (UTC)
Just for the sake of simplicity and to have the sentence read better. Ultimately it's inconsequential either way, one way is more specific than they other, but largely both ways establish the same meaning. Thank you for being civil in your inquiry. 22:00, September 11, 2011 (UTC)
I left citations for every one of my posts. The little edits I made were just grammatical corrections. I really only posted that Maya wasn't a phasewalker, and I updated Eridium and Vehicles. I provided citations for each. Other than that, I don't know what you're talking about.
~!24.145.8.47MielikkisChosen
See the {{fact}} tags I left on the page. Those had no citation. 21:38, September 12, 2011 (UTC)
Dahl page
I tyred "undoing" an edit made by the user TheApatheistic1 on the DAHL page and i dont think it worked. When i hit undo at the top of the page, it said one or more edits could not be undone. The user took the Logo pic out and replaced it with useless letters " ". I left a warning on his/her page. Im not entirely sure how to report vandalism. Just figured i would let someone know.✿L y n n e ✿talk✿ 20:50, September 13, 2011 (UTC)
No worries, a warning would have sufficed in that situation. " " is something that sometimes gets left over in wikia code as far as I've noticed. I'll have a look, thanks Lynne. 22:23, September 13, 2011 (UTC)
EDIT: Dr.F already took care of it. 22:24, September 13, 2011 (UTC)\
Ohh i thought it was some random letters they typed!! LOL Either way the pic didnt need to be removed. And thanks for telling me about the "warn" template, ill have to remember that and use it next time. :) ✿L y n n e ✿talk✿ 23:40, September 13, 2011 (UTC)
' ' is the HTML entity for non-breaking space. It is usually used to add spaces between text elements that would normally have only one space in between them. In HTML code, it doesn't matter how many spaces you put between two words, it always shows up as a single space when rendered. Adding ' ' will cause more spaces to show up when rendered. Logisim 01:00, September 15, 2011 (UTC)
Thank you for the welcome :)
Hi NOhara24, thank you for the welcome message. I asked a couple questions on a couple talk pages about level scaling in the DLCs. What is the best way to get answers to these questions? Musha Shukou 19:55, September 20, 2011 (UTC)
IIRC, level scaling is largely dependent on what DLCs you have and what playthrough you're on. If you have DLC3- the secret armory of general knoxx, and have beaten crawmerax, the enemies should scale all the way up to your level, assuming playthrough 2. By what you're describing, it still sounds like you're on playthrough 1. Starting playthrough 2 would allow the enemies to scale up to 51. 20:54, September 20, 2011 (UTC)
Will they scale to my level or to Crawmerax's level? And would I need to beat him on PT1 or 2? Musha Shukou 21:02, September 20, 2011 (UTC)
They will scale to your level. And you'd need to beat him on PT2. Don't even waste your time going through the DLCs on PT1. 15:15, September 21, 2011 (UTC)
Ok thank you. That answers my questions. :) Musha Shukou 23:49, September 21, 2011 (UTC)
Simply finishing Knoxx main missions and haveing the credits roll and entering PT 2.5, will cause enemies to scale with your level. Killing Craw will cause enemies to scale to the max. If you are not yet at max level, you should avoid killing Craw untill you reach 69. Unless you wish to have a real challenge and face incredibly tough enemies. this is on Xbox 360 anyway. 00:47, September 22, 2011 (UTC)
Babies
EVERYONE wants to have my babies! This is why i dont have any. I would be in real trouble otherwise :P 23:05, September 21, 2011 (UTC)
My Mistake
It seems I was wrong yesterday, wasn't the first time exactly =D.
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--Talk to prinny! Riceygringo 04:05, October 5, 2011 (UTC)
This Userbox. I love it. 11:32, October 6, 2011 (UTC)
- you's one ugly lady, deary. ♥ ☮✰Razldazlchick ♥ ☮✰ 19:27, October 6, 2011 (UTC)
I don't think Ricey was going for accuracy when he made the userbox. As you and I both Everyone knows, I'm rather dashing. 16:31, October 7, 2011 (UTC)
Isnt it hard to tell when all your mirrors crack when you look into them. I would not know as i have no reflection :P 21:51, October 7, 2011 (UTC)
The Destroyer Article, krotera choosing to ignore the bulletin at the top of the page
On the Destroyer article: I suggest you learn to write before writing articles, let alone zealously defending their redundant, faulty syntax when it's edited. Krotera 00:19, October 14, 2011 (UTC)
I suggest you check the article history, as well as the definition of "zealous" before you get smart on my talk page. You were undone, twice, and then immediately edited after you chose to sandbox the page for a second time. This is a wiki. You will be edited. You will be undone. Deal with it. 13:00, October 14, 2011 (UTC)
Re: Links.
Sorry about not providing links but I can't exactly provide links when i removed the text, but if you do check out the IGN article, the quotaton in my edit summary is in the article just after the bit about splitscreen. 
22:46, October 19, 2011 (UTC)
There I've added the fact that BL2 will not support splitscreen play and made it a link to the IGN article. 23:32, October 20, 2011 (UTC)
Thank you. 17:38, October 21, 2011 (UTC)
Thats a GOOD picture of you 204.210.198.73 07:44, October 24, 2011 (UTC)
- What are you getting at exactly, dotseventhree? 22:46, October 24, 2011 (UTC)
- What are you getting at exactly, dotseventhree?
Spiderant Rivalry
I'm not 204.184.47.253, but the Bait And Switch mission description says ...I want you to take an abdomen from a rival Queen, then replace the bandits' with that one... so they may be familiar to the concept... DuckmanBR 17:52, October 26, 2011 (UTC)
Ah, fair. Go ahead and change it back then. Although it's noteworthiness will always be in question to me. 13:01, October 27, 2011 (UTC)
undo
i dare say you can do better than This "trivia" has been deleted before. Same name =! trivia. with iatbr gone it falls to me to overwatch the newcomers. you will explain such edits on the talk page of every user w/ <25 edits. summaries for policy reverts need state nothing more than the policy in question. Dr. F 21:59, October 31, 2011 (UTC)
Re: Amalgamation
Yes! That makes 5! Honestly I discovered something while getting back into Borderlands, and wanted to check out the wiki. I actually adopted Dante's Inferno Wiki, and I do a lot of work there. Let me know if there is anything that needs getting done.
The Milkman 23:21, November 2, 2011 (UTC)
undo
insufficient summary. Dr. F 22:07, November 15, 2011 (UTC)
- im assuming you are rectifying the above. Dr. F 17:39, November 16, 2011 (UTC)
Yes. 17:47, November 16, 2011 (UTC)
- see that this lack of summary does not happen again. Dr. F 18:11, November 16, 2011 (UTC)
Remembered typing one upon making edit, it failed had to go back and try again. Summary didn't carry over. 19:12, November 16, 2011 (UTC)
help wanted
i'm sad to say that the wiki has lost its head greeter and liaison, due to some rather unfortunate circumstances. do you have any suggestions or nominations as to who might replace our lost greeter-bot? with BL2 coming up we will soon need all hands on deck (and can ill afford to lose any more solid editors). 21:43, November 18, 2011 (UTC)
CJ FOR GREETER.
But no, seriously. I nominate Veg if he's up for it. 00:41, November 19, 2011 (UTC)
Hey now, I could be an excellent greeter. I can be polite if I were expected to be. Seriously. Plus, it seems relatively easy on a technical level and I've been looking for a way to contribute that suits my internet schedule a little better. 00:58, November 19, 2011 (UTC)
- you don't think cj would make a good greeter? Hmm, I thought he would've done fine. 02:24, November 19, 2011 (UTC)
Thanks for the Nod, Buuutt, I have all the hats i can wear as it is. I will continue to greet people as i see the need but think you could ask Lynn1984, as well as CJ, if she would like to be head greeter. That is what she is already doing most of the time she is here. 03:18, November 19, 2011 (UTC)
- (Dr. F's note - raz is nominally the head greeter. what we (and by we i mean I) are looking for is a liason to act as an advocate for and to encourage the continued participation of UCs and new users.)
The only reason I'm not seriously nominating CJ is that I think his role as "resident flamethrower" actually serves a purpose. I've had some experience with that role too, so I know that it can be fun, and I wouldn't want to take that from him by making him be nice to the UCs/Noobs that don't deserve it.
That being said, if CJ wants to put on the Liaison hat, I see no reason why he wouldn't. Although the "help wanted" sign will shift from the Liaison's desk to the Pyro's desk, as I don't see how someone can wear both of those hats and still be taken seriously at both positions. 20:58, November 20, 2011 (UTC)
Pretty sure I'd only have to be nice when helping new RCs transition into being regular editors. After a certain amount of time and display of competency, I would think they and any other oldfag would be fair game. 20:13, November 21, 2011 (UTC)
Maintenance
Added by Razldazlchickhey poppet, since the archives are going to be a regular thing.. atleast until the majority of the threads are moved.. have you taken notice of the recent change options? you can sort the recent activity. it may make it a little easier to view around the forumspam depending on what mama wants you to look after. eh? ehh? ♥ ☮✰Razldazlchick ♥ ☮✰ 22:03, November 21, 2011 (UTC)
Haha, the rectangle with the two arrows pointing to it looks like a face...=| 17:14, November 22, 2011 (UTC)
EDIT: In all seriousness: holy crap does that make things easier. 17:23, November 22, 2011 (UTC)
Re:The Secret Armory of General Knoxx
I was deleting an edit made by an Wikipedia user in the billing options that said some pretty bad things. Ex, You fail at life, GFYS. —Preceding unsigned comment added by TheSunsword (talk • contribs)
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If you wish to question anything pertaining to my operating on this wiki, please do so while maintaining a pleasant tone and using common decency. Anything that doesn't meet the requirements previously mentioned should be addressed to a different Admin/Sysop. 16:51, September 3, 2011 (UTC) edit- Dr. F |
Salvadors skills
did ya notice anything special about one of his skills name :P 03:24, December 28, 2011 (UTC)
Yessir I did. It says right there in the article referenced that a lot of his skill names are based off movie quotes. "Come at me, bro." is ripped straight from the internets. 03:25, December 28, 2011 (UTC)
Good stuff either way IMO. 03:27, December 28, 2011 (UTC)
gearbox time
[4] The Evil Dr. F (Talk)14,074 Edits
A one month delay does not a "gearbox time" statement make. 03:13, December 29, 2011 (UTC)
The Fallen
Oh, lord. Was that terrible. As if Roland would ever have need of a Tediore legendary. I got the impression that Shirley had spent very little time in the game, if any.
I did laugh at Shirley's pastiche of the game's opening sequence. Unfortunately it went downhill quickly after that.
About all I can say for the novel is that the prose wasn't actually fan-fiction painful. But it was damned close. Set the bar sufficiently low that any fan-fiction writer shouldn't be discouraged by the presence of "professionals" (sarcasm quotes).
Shame on me for expecting anything more out of a video game novel, I suppose.
Yes, I am ranting. Dämmerung 16:08, January 2, 2012 (UTC)
I wasn't expecting much out of it, I didn't actually read the thing (thankfully), it was some poor UC that added that bit of Trivia to the Defender's page. I just re-worded it. Some games lend themselves for a spin-off. But those games have, you know, storylines. Maybe BL2 will be better story wise, but I don't see "Borderlands 2: The Fallen-ing-er" popping up on any best seller lists. 19:26, January 3, 2012 (UTC)
Scooter
Even though one is named Scooter and the other Skeeter, it could be a play on words. There are other longshots of trivia that have stood the test of time. It seemed good to me and someone else saw the relation enough to add it the first time. If you truely think it is unworthy, call for its removal on the talk page. I will remove it again myself if that is what is decided, no problem. 19:42, January 5, 2012 (UTC)
Will do. 20:16, January 5, 2012 (UTC)
Said trivia has been nuked from orbit. 12:26, January 6, 2012 (UTC)
wikichat
so sorry i missed you. [5] 21:26, January 6, 2012 (UTC)
I Shall Haz Mine Large Txt >:)
Category:
[[Category:The Running Man - The running man is an overproduced movie extraordinarily loosely based on a stephen king story. in the inevitable remake the lead should be played by tom cruise because, lets face it, the guy runs in _every_ damn movie he is in. must be in his contract. two birds, one stone. nuff said?]] The Evil Dr. F (Talk)14,074 Edits
- i don't recall much him running overmuch in Born on the Fourth of July. 01:08, January 24, 2012 (UTC)
- I have no idea what is going on,so here's a link to a pretty sweet fresh price of bel-air video. 12:15, January 24, 2012 (UTC)
- I have no idea what is going on,so here's a link to a pretty sweet fresh price of bel-air video.
- price of bel aire has been drastically reduced by the current economic turn.
Well, I have no desire to watch that movie. Charlie done killed Tom Cruise. 16:18, January 25, 2012 (UTC)
Undo
Isn't every entry in Borderlands pop culture references redundant with some Trivia item elsewhere in the wiki? Dämmerung 16:38, January 25, 2012 (UTC)
- 'tis. Dr. F 16:46, January 25, 2012 (UTC)
- Most are, yes. But I see no reason not to attempt to mitigate that fact. 17:09, January 25, 2012 (UTC)
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ty, dear. proofread mah homeworks, plz? :3 ♥ ☮✰Razldazlchick ♥ ☮✰ 22:11, January 25, 2012 (UTC)
No problem. Nothing like a perfectly structured sentence to help get your point across. :D 22:17, January 25, 2012 (UTC)
Mr.Zekrom
thank you :)
I'm getting a real Don Marquis vibe
from a certain poster of recent advent.
- expression is the need of my soul
- i was once a vers libre bard
- but i died and my soul went into the body of a cockroach
- it has given me a new outlook on life
Would explain a number of the apparent communications challenges. Anyway, reading his posts in Archy's voice helps me. Dämmerung 21:36, January 28, 2012 (UTC)
Specter mod
I'm not sure if you were offering, but if you have a Specter mod with ammo regen , I sure would like to hook up with you on PSN. I know alot of folks have moved on from the game for now, but I keep going back to it. I haven't found a game to keep my attention for long.Prissyb*tch ☠ talk ☠ 16:51, February 2, 2012 (UTC)
When I get my PS3 hooked back up I can look through my crap to see if I've got one. I'm on PC 99% of the time now. My PSN name is the same as here. 19:21, February 2, 2012 (UTC)
I sent you a friend request just in case you get that dusty ol' console hooked up and find that you have that mod. I'm farming the crap out of Helicon and so far the ***** has only dropped a couple crappy ones. She likes to drop crappy grenade mods and shields. I'm gonna make her suffer:-)Prissyb*tch ☠ talk ☠ 19:09, February 9, 2012 (UTC)
No worries. I hope to get back on soon. Steam is an easy download if you want to contact me there. 19:36, February 9, 2012 (UTC)
Sorry, but I'm not that computer savvy. If I were comfortable transferring from PC to console, I'd just make me one. Also, our computer is my husbands and he'd accuse me of trying to get him a virus. He's very paranoid about that stuff. He just doesn't take BLANDS serious enough.:( Prissyb*tch ☠ talk ☠ 19:44, February 9, 2012 (UTC)
request
please stop deleting content from speculation pages. every time you do this all the admins look like monkeys putting the moves on footballs. Dr. F 15:11, February 3, 2012 (UTC)
But that means that we aren't monkeys putting the moves on footballs. 17:03, February 3, 2012 (UTC)
- that is the impression i would like give the users, yes. Dr. F 21:35, February 3, 2012 (UTC)
But to clarify, that's what we are, yes? 00:36, February 4, 2012 (UTC)
Separate-but-equal request: next time I see you online, remind me to admit that you were right. Dämmerung 17:33, February 6, 2012 (UTC)
Me, right? I'm never right. 22:42, February 6, 2012 (UTC) Impossibru.
please disregard speculation pages and all trivia sections in matters of daily review(s). these will be monitored by other persons. Dr. F 19:39, February 6, 2012 (UTC)
- ^^^Never even read this did you?^^^
on the bright side
your opinion counts and carries more weight now. Dr. F 00:26, February 10, 2012 (UTC)
Ha. That's a good one. Didn't know a policy I'd spent over a year enforcing was a matter of opinion. 00:29, February 10, 2012 (UTC)
- i was never able to convince you that admin is a janitor with a badge. i tried and failed. the enforcer mentality is too deep in you, embrace the dark side. i have better cookies. - The Ëvil Dr. F
Sorry. "A policy that I had taken into account and valued as a set-in-stone policy when editing pages for over a year." 00:44, February 10, 2012 (UTC)
Hey bro
I am not gunna come at you... but I have to explain something. 14:40, February 10, 2012 (UTC)
And that is...? 14:43, February 10, 2012 (UTC)
The revisions you have been doing are changing the original authors speculation and inserting your own. Everyone is free to speculate on these pages and first dibs is first dibs. There is no way we should change the wording of speculation at all... minor grammer corrections only... Maybe just a little structure. If it is passible for Dr.F, He can clean it up. 14:49, February 10, 2012 (UTC)
I am so sry I am really tired... anyway, we have to be carefull not to change all the speculation on the wiki to our own.